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Post Skate - An Oral History

Postby bels » Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:47 am

The story of post skate is the story of a bilateral subculture. On one wing a youth subculture chasing a sense of nostalgia for an era imperfectly remembered. In the other wing a generation that has moved on from this era, trying to remain au courrant. The common facet uniting these apparently disparate groups? The attempt to co opt skate culture as a short cut to authenticity. But more powerfully, the story of post skate can be viewed as a story about life in the post internet world and the way cultures attempt to derive meaning from the generations that have proceeded them.

- Post Skate, A Microcosm Of Post Internet Sub Cultures - Journal Of Care Memes IIVX


I'm sure we've all read the above article so there's no need to link it here, but I was wondering if we could assemble a more informal collection of post skate history/ideas/etc etc.

Please post any quotes/dead tumblrs/magazine clippings/scanned i-zone snaps/etc etc that you remember from the post skate era (which for the sake of this thread we'll define roughly as early 00s to the death of post skate with the launch of Noah NY

I'll get us started with a few from the archive:

I think I first skated around 2002. It was post 9/11 Supreme, Supreme, Supreme, New York, early two thousands. I stood on the board for about a fifth of a second before immediately getting off it. I knew it wasn't right. It wasn't for me. This was a different time. I got off the board and I never got on one again. It was years before I realised that I wasn't the only one, that we were a movement

- Miss Cannandler Rong


Testimony from an early post skater, still apparently quite big in what remains of the post post skate scene.

maj wrote:i'm an ex skater physicist from Cornwall

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Very early post skate reference, possibly one of the first I ever saw being quite a late comer to the scene (I maintained my attempts to skate legitimately until well into 2010)
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Re: Post Skate - An Oral History

Postby teck » Tue Dec 15, 2015 11:26 am

what is post skate.
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Re: Post Skate - An Oral History

Postby hmwut » Tue Dec 15, 2015 11:28 am

people who dress like they skate but dont
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Re: Post Skate - An Oral History

Postby cdghomoplus » Tue Dec 15, 2015 11:33 am

hmwut wrote:people who dress like they skate but dont


is this like reverse post skate then?
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Re: Post Skate - An Oral History

Postby teck » Tue Dec 15, 2015 11:46 am

i swear to god every time i think i've found a new way to dress no bels has already created a meta ARG game around it.
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Re: Post Skate - An Oral History

Postby can- » Tue Dec 15, 2015 11:49 am

In January 2008, I visited my sister at her university. As we were getting ready for the Sports Ball I bid on my first Supreme hat, inspired by the post skate guy in my illustration class. The night passed in a blur. Later that year I bought the Harpo Marx t-shirt, bidding on my boss's computer during my lunch break. I still wear them both.
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Re: Post Skate - An Oral History

Postby bels » Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:21 pm

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Re: Post Skate - An Oral History

Postby CMYK » Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:27 pm

Can we play "Post Skate or Nah" to get a bit more of a feel here?

Palace

Supreme (then)

Supreme (now)

Dime

Quartersnacks

Noah

Bianca Chandôn

Mood NYC

Bronze 56k

Brain Dead

Polar

Vans
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Re: Post Skate - An Oral History

Postby ASTROCHIMP » Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:06 pm

Here is four pins attempt at analyzing post skate.
http://fourpins.com/life/2015/03/the-post-post-skater-style-revolution
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Re: Post Skate - An Oral History

Postby Julio » Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:17 pm

hmwut wrote:people who dress like they skate but dont


that'd be "faux-skate" not "post-skate"
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Re: Post Skate - An Oral History

Postby teck » Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:55 pm

i used to always be really afraid of the kids in "Kidz" and was always worried that I had to become cool enough to contract some venereal disease because im sure everyone else in my class was all up in that. also the baggy pants.

skating had a racial tinge to it when i was going up and it was a proxy race war. im not sure if that's how it is now, since now we're all post racial and post skate.

now i like supreme because im a trend follower but there's a not-insignificant chance i'll get into a nasty exchange with someone in the store. middle class bourgeoise indignation is my sticking it to the man.
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Re: Post Skate - An Oral History

Postby teck » Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:05 pm

how does post skate intersect with the resurgence of other 90s trends/brands
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Re: Post Skate - An Oral History

Postby maj » Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:51 pm

I remember it like it was yesterday. I'd just moved to uni and met my new housemate James, James was a bit shorter than me and wore brown cords, supras and a palace coach all of which looked very loose on his frame. I thought to myself "A SKATEBOARDER?!", it filled me with joy as that summer I had spent my time smashing my face in the ground trying to learn the advanced skate moves such as "push" in between selling my soul to sainsburys. Over the first day we got on like a house on fire, going up and down the street to McDonald's talking about palace and supreme, him waiting for me to catch up as I had no skill at this edgy sport.

It wasn't till a day later James suggested we go to the skatepark, it was just round the corner apparently. The idea filled me with dread, a skatepark? With skaters?? I can barely stand on the thing! I swallowed my fear and agreed however what could go wrong?

60 minutes of pushing later we were there, round the corner my ass! Either way we made it And I instantly crashed on the wall to catch my breath and wish for the world to swallow me up as it hit me like a train what a poser I was. Sitting there in my open flannel with exposed supreme x dead kennedys tee, black, clean uniqlo skinnies and palace x reeboks. Who skates palace x reebok??? No one! They're rubbish for skating as they shred the moment you Ollie, great thing I couldn't do that advanced technique. James on the other hand, he fitted straight in and instantly talked with the locals to have a game of "skate".

Time passed and I was still glued to the wall, watching James and snapchatting his skills to show my peers I was doing something cute in the hope it would validate my existence. That is until I spotted this magnificent sight.

A hair cut which looked like it was straight from bay watch,

A vintage rlp blouson in tan, loose fitting and flowing behind him over a plain white tee,

Skinny jeans cuffed to exposed the white socks which lined his calves,

Finished off with a black vans authentic,

What is it I thought? It's magnificent? Is this skate wear? I thought James was skate wear? But this guy looks like he's been had that, he's over it, he wants the authentic skate feel

He's... He's... POST SKATE
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Re: Post Skate - An Oral History

Postby uames » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:11 am

from Bruno Latour's 'We Have Never Been Skate' (Harvard University Press, 1993):

“Having been slapped in the face with skate reality, poor populations now have to submit to post-skate hyperreality. Nothing has value; everything is a reflection, a simulacrum, a floating sign; and that very weakness, they say, may save us from the invasion of technologies, sciences, reasons. Was it really worth destroying everything to end up adding this insult to that injury?” (p. 131).
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Re: Post Skate - An Oral History

Postby fun_yunchables » Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:15 am

the resurgence of east coast style of skating because who cares about smooth west coast concrete and cleanly popped ledge tech tricks a la nike sb team (minus olsonstuff because he's cool)
the cherrigton (cherry + aaron herrigton) effect
people who watch too much bill strobeck or lurknyc or gx1000 (even thrasher is pushing this old school vx1000 style now)
resurgence of old school tricks traced back to pontus alv and polar, everyone doing no complies and wallrides+shuvits

just blame cherry for making this popular really
dillman influencing how sage and swan dress and skate
everyone jumps on the hype train
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Re: Post Skate - An Oral History

Postby Julio » Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:18 am

http://hypebeast.com/2015/12/magenta-skateboards-aime-lookbook

is this post-skate? is there only the specter of a skateboard in this lookbook by a brand with "skateboards" in its name?
why is the atmosphere one of defeat and resignation?
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Re: Post Skate - An Oral History

Postby uames » Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:34 pm

fun_yunchables wrote:the resurgence of east coast style of skating because who cares about smooth west coast concrete and cleanly popped ledge tech tricks a la nike sb team (minus olsonstuff because he's cool)
the cherrigton (cherry + aaron herrigton) effect
people who watch too much bill strobeck or lurknyc or gx1000 (even thrasher is pushing this old school vx1000 style now)
resurgence of old school tricks traced back to pontus alv and polar, everyone doing no complies and wallrides+shuvits

just blame cherry for making this popular really
dillman influencing how sage and swan dress and skate
everyone jumps on the hype train


just the other day i was at my local spot, when a group of 6 or so certified rippers appeared. they were doing slappies on the ledge, doing no complies out of grinds, and early grabs over the stairs. i became mildly disappointed. not disappointed because i disapprove of their trick selection, but disappointed because weirdo tricks used to be special. i used to get the 'weirdo nod' from other freaks when i performed these antiquated maneuvers in public. i often imagined that this solidarity-through-alienation was similar that experienced by longhairs in the 60's, or punks in the 80's.

i look at the new wave of retro-skaters and i can't help thinking:
"five years ago you were doing yo flips and watching fully flared."
"five years ago you made fun of anything boneless"

but at least we are Really Skating Again.

Another anecdote:
I recently asked a friend from San Francisco who were the dope new crews/igs/videos/sites to watch. she said "nothing. everyone is just biting east coast style rn"

Then I found this video "CHUMP VID" from San Diego. The young men featured in Chump Vid wear interesting clothing. They look like they're having fun. I sent it to this friend. Her sarcastic response was "Wow using a VHS camera, great trick to make silky sooth SoCal spots look like gritty New York"

This must be post skate. Skateboarding has never been more played-out. It's also never been better.

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Re: Post Skate - An Oral History

Postby teck » Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:55 pm

so skating is post skate?
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Re: Post Skate - An Oral History

Postby bels » Wed Dec 16, 2015 7:00 pm

I feel like teck keeps half writing a trend report email to his boss, then closing the window, then reading this thread and opening it up again.
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Re: Post Skate - An Oral History

Postby can- » Thu Dec 17, 2015 1:28 am

I heard that norse projects is the original post skate brand
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Re: Post Skate - An Oral History

Postby can- » Thu Dec 17, 2015 3:25 am

peir wu is one of the OG post skate heads.

look at runways all the time. I follow very closely what other people are doing, it’s great to know what’s going on, although I haven't really seen a lot that I particularly like. I find “skateboard culture” [to be] an over-used theme and “subculture,” albeit portrayed in a thematic way, [through] styling, or even a nostalgic manner [that] doesn’t project forward. I wonder what’s a “subculture” right now and if it’s even relevant. Things move so fast, things get gentrified so quickly, that I don't really think subcultures are so relevant anymore. I don’t want it to sound so absolute, but you know what I mean?
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Re: Post Skate - An Oral History

Postby teck » Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:17 am

what do i do with all the etnies and independent long sleeve tees i have?
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Re: Post Skate - An Oral History

Postby ASTROCHIMP » Thu Dec 17, 2015 12:14 pm

teck wrote:what do i do with all the etnies and independent long sleeve tees i have?

Wear them, then develop a style known as post-post-skate. Your goal will be to bring it back to puffy shoes and you can the claim that's when skating was the realest even if it wasn't. Also make sure to start a thread about your post-post-skate fits.
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Re: Post Skate - An Oral History

Postby thomaspaine » Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:07 pm

I leave care-tags for a few months and now I have no idea what's going on.
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Re: Post Skate - An Oral History

Postby thomaspaine » Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:12 pm

I tried in earnest to skate in high school. Watching CKY videos in my friends cellar on a poorly upholstered couch and scouting skate parks even though I could barely ollie. I stopped because I got tired of racking my nuts every time I tried to jump down 2 or more steps. I'd love to pick it up again because I get a tinge of nostalgia whenever I see people skate, but a 30+ year old dude practicing ollies in a parking lot by himself is kid of pathetic.
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Re: Post Skate - An Oral History

Postby mc-lunar » Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:46 pm

considering how pathetic it feels to be the 18 year old practicing ollies by myself in a parking lot at night it probably doesn't get worse
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Re: Post Skate - An Oral History

Postby pirxthepilot » Fri Dec 18, 2015 7:09 am

don't really see skating around east london- is it perhaps more of a white kid subculture? (now largely co-opted by the palace-bomber-wearing bearded skater dad). but every playground around here has a knot of urban calisthenics types, as a fast-growing subculture it hasn't been much picked up on, perhaps because i dunno who could rip off the fashun. maybe claire denis could make a film about them ?
this kind of thing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG2jZK_QklI
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Re: Post Skate - An Oral History

Postby bels » Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:03 pm

Skating, like all the old "authenticity" subcultures (surfing, rock and roll, motor bikes, punk) is now 100% a middle class white kid subculture
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Re: Post Skate - An Oral History

Postby Julio » Fri Dec 18, 2015 5:15 pm

teck wrote:so skating is post skate?


bro isn't the post-modern
just the modern
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