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Postby bels » Mon Jun 01, 2015 4:21 pm

Three months is hard as hell (for me)

Hundo a mundo experimundo is going great. Has already modified my buying habits. No longer worth sniping that <whatever> because it's "so cheap" if it's going to take a dent out of the fund. Just got June's hundo deposited.

The down side is that I guess I'm still spending my money on something because I had about £80 left in my bank account before payday so I don't know.
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Re: NOCOPNOCOPNOCOPNOCOPNOCOPB

Postby exprof » Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:17 pm

lol caved and bought 10$ h&m flower pants. but i mean i lasted 7 months so thats nice. now im going 2 get rid of my eg and become flower-health-goth.
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Re: NOCOPNOCOPNOCOPNOCOPNOCOPB

Postby Ques » Wed Jun 17, 2015 9:40 pm

lasted 5 months until i found a bless sweater for 30 euro at a street market, time to start over
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Re: NOCOPNOCOPNOCOPNOCOPNOCOPB

Postby tttigre » Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:30 am

Here I am beginning a Super Official Cop Freeze until September at the earliest, moving at the end of the summer so I need to reroute some life expenses. Have some stuff in the mail but nothing (save for a couple white AmAp tees to replace older ones) else from here on out. Also got back into mint.com the other week to track my finances and their colorful little graphics sure are an effective way to say "you spend a whole lot on clothes".

Also going to spend more time here! I feel that stepping away from the site-that-must-not-be-named or at least spending less time there will allow me to transition away from the easy consumerism of hobbyist fashion and more toward meaningful discussion.
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The Price Of Quitting The Game

Postby bels » Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:18 am

Aesop wrote:Affairs are easier of entrance than of exit; and it is but common prudence to see our way out before we venture in.


How are you planning to stop spending so much time and money on the consumerist treadmill that is fashion? Lets talk about it here and the laugh when we fail to execute our plans but secretly wonder if we'll ever execute them at all and wonder what it would be like if instead of spending so much time and money on clothes we'd like, learned how to make beats or play poker or repair Porsches or something.

Some concepts to get us started (if you want you can count the ones I've tried and failed to execute:
  • Start only buying one brand that has such a minimal selection / high price that you only need to think about clothes two or three times a year
  • Finally work out your perfect uniform and just wear it until you no longer think about wearing anything else
  • Assign yourself some minimal hard budget per month (via quitting or job or via standing order) which means you can only buy like one second hand t-shirt per month and become forced to get your kicks that way
  • No-Cop x Infinity
  • Move to a cabin in the country and gradually loose interest in garms because no one ever sees you
  • Shred the archive Helmut Lang style
  • Find a new hobby that consumes you but isn't pointless
  • Rak City Only
  • Get really into Crossfit
  • Learn to appreciate clothes as art/design pieces that you have no urge to own or wear
Feel like we could leave all the "but why quit clothes clothes r gr8 I luv them"* talk for another thread but maybe we can't. If it does go down that road I promise not to call anyone bourgeois if you promise not to call me a loser with a mortgage who can't afford to have fun any more and wants to drag everyone else down with him.

* Clothes r gr8 i luv them would be a great t-shirt.
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Re: NOCOPNOCOPNOCOPNOCOPNOCOPB

Postby maj » Sun Sep 06, 2015 12:26 pm

Shred the archive Helmut Lang style


feel this is the only true way to quit the game, losing everything in one instant would throw me out the game forever, would be so overwhelmed with grief if any survived i'd sell it due to it being a painful reminder.

Finally work out your perfect uniform and just wear it until you no longer think about wearing anything else


fake concept, noone has a uniform longer than a year, 2 years max who is under 50, even the over 50's need multiple uniforms for all their cruises

Move to a cabin in the country and gradually loose interest in garms because no one ever sees you


fake concept, all the people in the middle of nowhere and dress head to toe in ricccardo ouensi are proof of this. unless you full on go off the grid but i think channel 4 proved that's impossible or something

Assign yourself some minimal hard budget per month (via quitting or job or via standing order) which means you can only buy like one second hand t-shirt per month and become forced to get your kicks that way


feel this doesn't address the problem because as soon as you get bare p you will ball out due to delayed satisfaction
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Re: NOCOPNOCOPNOCOPNOCOPNOCOPB

Postby schiaparelli » Sun Sep 06, 2015 1:52 pm

last night I reread Marie Kondo's The Life-Changing Magic of Tidying Up.

in the past two weeks I've been seriously tidying up my possessions—donated a ton of clothes, have a few clothes saved for friends whose sizes and tastes match up nicely (I hope) to something I own and don't wear. it's actually induced a good bit of anxiety, trying to figure out what is meaningful to me, what makes me feel lighter and clearer to say goodbye to, what amount and kinds of things are necessary in my life, and all this during the usual back-to-school jumble of buying more things (textbooks, no-show socks, stationery).

it was so nice to revisit this thread (haven't posted here in ages, even before the summer break) and find these sharp and lucid thoughts from @yoyobeat

yoyobeat wrote:I would say that no-cop is at least as materialistic as copping; either way you're thinking about yourself, and thinking about clothing.

I don't feel bad about copping clothing these days because I feel fulfilled enough in other areas of my life that I understand I'm not filling a void with clothes. In fact, to not cop things feels like it would be stifling an area of aesthetic interest and self-expression that I'm still very interested in growing and exploring. Probably even more interested than ever.


I do think that minimalism for the sake of minimalism, not buying for the sake of not buying…that is a bit dangerous to do, bc I feel it is bringing in these moral judgments of stuff, instead of emotional judgments on individual things. doing no-cop when it's about "I have disposable income but I should really save it all for this higher priority in life, I just need to not get distracted by clothes…that's one thing. but doing no-cop bc of this moralizing disgust over your interest in fashion, and doing your best to run away from the perfectly normal investment you now have in what you wear and what you like—that just feels self-denying in a distrustful and dishonest way. I like clothes. sometimes I find clothes I love. why wouldn't I buy them if it feels like the right time and the right piece (oh yeah and I've budgeted for it?)

yoyobeat wrote:I haven't been ultimately unhappy with any of the more out-there items I've bought--things I thought were cool and have basically ended up loving or hating.

"Wait, what? You weren't ever unhappy? You just said you ended up hating a bunch of those out-there items." Yeah, but that doesn't mean I was unhappy with the overall experience of purchasing them. I guess one person's 'out-there' is another person's boring, but what I'm saying is when I've stretched myself with my purchases, I start defining boundaries rather than staying within a set of strict boundaries purely for no-cop. And defining those boundaries has meant that the purchase was worth it because it taught me something.


trite as it sounds, I really love Marie Kondo's question of asking "does this bring you joy?" when evaluating things. and I guess I'm kind of an aesthetic/experiential snob in that even the things that are merely utilitarian (no-show socks, closet organizers)—I'd feel so much better if these were all things I genuinely appreciated and cared about having in my life, because using them would feel special.

when I think about purchases I regret—it's never, for me, the impulse purchases (some sneakers I saw and instantly fell in love with), even if those impulse purchases have fallen out of favor. but—oh man, I regret all the dumb "wardrobe essentials" purchases so much, all the shit I bought bc I thought "eh, not everything needs to feel special, I just need a t-shirt to wear". those are the worst! the purchases that are so sensible and logical and cold and unappealing. I bought white leather sneakers once bc I was convinced they were a good wardrobe basic BUT I HATED THEM, THEY WEREN'T EVEN EXCITING WHITE SNEAKERS TO ME, THEY JUST FELT LIKE THINGS I SHOULD HAVE (according to internet fashion, which was obsessed with minimal white leather sneakers in 2014) and I'm so glad they're out of my life rn.

to be honest, the most useful thing about no-cop to me is that I stop myself from buying all those dumb wardrobe essentials purchases, and then I inevitably end up breaking no-cop for something I am so furiously excited about I throw all my rules out the window.
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Re: The Price Of Quitting The Game

Postby ramseames » Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:27 pm

"Would I buy this again if I was staring at it in a store" is the best way to decide if you you should keep something
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Re: The Price Of Quitting The Game

Postby JonjoShelvey » Sun Sep 06, 2015 4:55 pm

you can still be caught in blind hype in a store tho. I bought my geos in store and it ended up as one of my worst buys ever. I guess it can work better as a theoretical question tho
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Re: The Price Of Quitting The Game

Postby bels » Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:05 pm

Surely not buying things is less materialistic than buying things. Even if it starts off as an anti posture I feel like it would be impossible for it not to eventually become your state of being.

I will concede that my constant taking about trying to quit the game whilst having more posts than anyone on this site does look pretty dishonest and invite people to keep this in mind if my tone gets overly moralistic.

Don't buy jamfax putting down the uniform. Just get two uniforms then. Or five or whatever.

Moving to the woods critique is valid but I think if you also quit the fashion internet you'd find it easie easy to not think about clothes.

For the record hundymundy is going fine except I did actually re invest the TOJ money back into the game. Only issue is that Hindu money is just damage limitation and doesn't stop (or maybe even encourages) wasting time hunting for what to buy next/thinking about clothes
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Re: The Price Of Quitting The Game

Postby ramseames » Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:11 pm

Yeah it works better as a theoretical question than actually being in a store with something you kinda want in front of you

Actually quiting is pretty pointless, it's not really gonna happen for anyone who's here

Better to be really directional with purchasing and accept that you'll spend money every year forever on clothes and that sometimes you'll wear something twice then sell for a big loss and that that's just part of it being a hobby
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Re: The Price Of Quitting The Game

Postby maj » Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:29 pm

i think more people would be inclined to quit the game if it was on mr p at 70% off
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Re: The Price Of Quitting The Game

Postby bels » Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:40 pm

People would be more into quitting the game if kanye did it
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Re: The Price Of Quitting The Game

Postby bels » Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:45 pm

I actually feel completely convinced I'll end up quitting the game eventually (and so will most people). I normally stay interested in something for about five years then move on.

If you ever lose hope about quitting the game remember hapsical who did all those very detailed raf write ups but now just does cross fit
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Re: The Price Of Quitting The Game

Postby ramseames » Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:09 pm

hapsical still works for mr p don't he?

no such thing as quitting, just feigning ignorance
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Re: The Price Of Quitting The Game

Postby JonjoShelvey » Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:26 pm

is wearing only a few brands a step into quitting the cyclical fashion game? or is it the same thing?
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Re: The Price Of Quitting The Game

Postby Cowboy » Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:29 pm

I think a few taggers could show why sticking to a few brands doesn't really keep them from buying clothes
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Re: The Price Of Quitting The Game

Postby 3hunna » Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:33 pm

The only ways to quit the game is to either get to a physical condition where fashion is no longer an option (morbidly obese, huge bodybuilder look), or to pick up a hobby that is even more consuming (like heroin or something) so that you spend the energy and money you would've spent on fashion on this new hobby.
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Re: The Price Of Quitting The Game

Postby can- » Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:51 pm

'hundymundy' ..... LOL
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Re: The Price Of Quitting The Game

Postby bels » Mon Sep 07, 2015 2:07 am

Dropping the amount of brands you buy is surely a step towards quitting the game as it involves decreasing choice and therefore decreasing the amount of time spent thinking about clothes
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Re: The Price Of Quitting The Game

Postby RomanEmpire » Mon Sep 07, 2015 2:08 am

I almost quit the game this summer. Started to really lose interest in clothes and was mostly satisfied with what I already owned, I hadn't bought anything in months, and stopped thinking so hard about what I wore.

Then care-tags came back. Shortly after both Uniqlo and GAP Outlet had labor day sales and I ended up breaking no cop.

Spoiler:
I regret nothing.
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Re: The Price Of Quitting The Game

Postby bels » Mon Sep 07, 2015 4:59 am

games I have quit:

Yoyos (Can't even remember the name of the forum I used to post on re: yoyos. Was pre youtube days. People would upload .wmvs of their sick routines (soundtrack:nine inch nails). My mum bought me a yoyo for my birthday last year and then cried that I don't use it and that she doesn't know me any more.)

Longboarding (Used to post on two different longboarding forums, had a custom board made, made a banana board myself. Stood on my slalom board the other week and nearly died (old man - might mount my custom board on the wall for ultimate old man status, HMU if you want to buy some used holey trucks and 78a Gumballs))

Photography (I still take instagrams but I no longer cruise eBay for bargain cameras to import or have fifty photo blogs that I check everyday or send long emails to my photography friends about What Makes Photographs Good Or Bad - Would like to get fashion game to this level maybe?)

Tumblr/prose fiction (There's no money in literature)
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Re: The Price Of Quitting The Game

Postby germinal » Mon Sep 07, 2015 5:36 am

why not quit fashion for ARGs
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Re: The Price Of Quitting The Game

Postby schiaparelli » Mon Sep 07, 2015 9:14 am

bela wrote:Dropping the amount of brands you buy is surely a step towards quitting the game as it involves decreasing choice and therefore decreasing the amount of time spent thinking about clothes


not sure if I believe this. sometimes the most materialistic and cop-obsessed people are the Rick Owens fans who obsessively catalogue each season and are constantly scouring the world for their grail piece from F/W 2012 ('mountain', they'll kick you in the shins if you can't refer to the collections by name), and sit at home with their single wire rack of RO leather jackets dreaming of the day they get that piece, and check eBay/Grailed/forum listings 100x a day…
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Re: The Price Of Quitting The Game

Postby bels » Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:29 am

I think that those Rick Owens fans are probably much more detached from fashion than I am. If they're looking for literally one thing(their grail) then everything they see is a binary choice. "Is this the dickless onesie from S/S 13 'Dragon Butt' ?" if Y buy if N refresh yahoo auctions. I don't see how this can be considered the same as being brand agnostic which means you have to make a bunch of decisions about what you want, who to buy it from, what version to get, what price point you're playing in. If you want "a parka" you have to choose from about sixty zillion brands, all at different price points with different everythings.

Maybe it's not universal but I am absolutely convinced that by offloading all my interior design choices to Muji and saying I want to paint all my walls white I've saved myself a lot of stress. If it worked for interior design I don't see why it wouldn't work for clothes.
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Re: The Price Of Quitting The Game

Postby germinal » Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:42 am

the difference is you dont have an ebay search set up for out of production muji and tins from dulux's much-maligned-at-the-time holiday 2003 colgate collaboration
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Re: The Price Of Quitting The Game

Postby bels » Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:02 pm

I actually do have that eBay search set up for Muji but the selection is so poor that my chances of getting anything are near to nil.

Even WITH the eBay search though it's still less choice and I'm sticking with the concept that less choice = less hassle. At least to some degree. I get that you can just obsess over smaller and smaller details as you zoom further and further in but if there's less that you can actually choose from there's less details.
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Re: The Price Of Quitting The Game

Postby Iliam » Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:34 pm

The two factors that enable shopping are time and money.

If you want to quit the game then you have to reduce the amount of time that you spend looking at clothes and/ or reduce the amount of money that you have to spend. If you really want to quit the game you probably have to reduce both to near zero, whether that is by forcing yourself to be busy with other activities or constructing buying schemes that limit one or both of these things.

I would like to hear about when buying or wearing clothes have made ppl feel happy or content...
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Re: The Price Of Quitting The Game

Postby bels » Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:41 pm

If you want to be happy why not just pet a cat. It's free.
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Re: The Price Of Quitting The Game

Postby schiaparelli » Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:45 pm

it seems a bit ludicrous to have a thread about quitting the game on a fashion forum (participation in it is explicitly designed to keep you in the game). at the same time, I do constantly wonder if there's a way to engage in fashion in a non-materialist way, where I can talk about things and care about things intensely and not want them.

for me, looking at runway stuff is actually super useful for this—learning about the construction of couture is fantastically exciting but also totally inaccessible to me (and there often isn't an easy way to translate Weird Designer Shit into something I could actually wear in an outfit). the most I can do is print out high-res photographs to put on my wall.

we have a contentedness/curation thread I always forget the name of called "the future is curatorial" (ty @mc-lunar)

I've got a few things that are maybe 4 years old now that I'm quite fond of and have stood the test of time, and maybe are worthy contenders for such a thread



@bela luckily we have a thread for that (note that even this game pushes your materialist urges to buy as many cat toys as possible)
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