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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby INNIT » Sat Sep 29, 2018 3:56 pm

i think the idea that most science fictions are allegories for the already-happened or currently-happening is a fairly old idea not unique to Bielskyte? i don't think it's so much that we default to imagined futures, but that our imaginary futures were always real, and intimately connected with whatever milieu prompted their conception. for example, you might try to think about how gibson's novels, with their futuristic, dystopian settings, tackle many of the exact same themes and issues as contemporaneous postmodern novels that do not take place in futuristic settings or settings that could be properly described as "dystopic". the idea that we simply need to start thinking up better futures and that this will enable those futures to manifest seems to me to be both incredibly naive and borderline impossible, and also ignores that "future" itself is a fairly loaded ideological concept (lee edelman's "no future" comes to mind here). or even to go back to hauntology: is the future even, like, real MAN?!?!?!?
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby rjbman » Sat Sep 29, 2018 7:18 pm

oh definitely, scifi was used especially during the 60s and 70s to discuss certain ideas (le guin on gender comes to mind) without being overt about it. science fiction, good scifi anyways, should be a reflection of the time it was written. and there is positive scifi out there, but I think I'd have to say that the majority of popular scifi that comes through in television and movies is far more negative... black mirror is one strong example (i love black mirror)

the idea that we simply need to start thinking up better futures and that this will enable those futures to manifest seems to me to be both incredibly naive and borderline impossible, and also ignores that "future" itself is a fairly loaded ideological concept (lee edelman's "no future" comes to mind here). or even to go back to hauntology: is the future even, like, real MAN?!?!?!?


i dont think she's saying so much that the existence of better futures causes them to manifest, but that not having them perhaps limits the collective idea of what the future could be. you (society) want a garden of multi forking paths rather than a couple dark ones and seemingly no other options.

i'm sure it's been hard recently to think of positive futures given how utterly depressing things are nowadays but acquiescing to that as the de facto path forwards is not something that i wish to happen
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby kickingthefly » Sun Sep 30, 2018 7:31 am

how was there an OL sample sale on my doorstep and nobody told me, what the fuck is happening to this place

edit tried to reply to above and somehow deleted it all, i'll get back to you when i have time to do it properly
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby bels » Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:42 am

I'm surprised you couldn't see the steady flow of tasteful textured dads all walking in the same direction then returning carrying tote bags filled to the brim from the balcony you eat your breakfast grapefruit and cottage cheese on.
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby bels » Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:47 am

Also yeah the point about 'imagining a better future' isn't so much that imagining makes it so, more that without imagining it almost definitely won't happen. You can't start agitating for the global socialist revolution unless you've got the idea of the global socialist revolution. I'm sure this concept has been explored by some euro philosopher. I'm going to guess... Hegel. It seems Hegelian to me, and I've never read even Hegel's wikipedia page.

Haven't seen GITS since I were a lad but I rewatched the ending 'battle' again recently and was struck by how downbeat, sad, slow, Pyrrhic and lonely it is:

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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby INNIT » Mon Oct 01, 2018 5:09 pm

ok, a few quick things and ill shut up about this:

a) the hegelian dialectic doesnt work
b) capitalism continues to intensify even though we have already exhaustively described things like the communist state, etc.
c) our "imagined futures" are always inclusive of the present and past (e.g. "fully automated luxury space communism" draws upon historical materialism and techno utopianism, both being very old ideas). so i guess what i'm trying to say is: good luck imagining a "future" that isn't completely entrenched in your current ideological sphere

maybe we shouldnt be looking towards the future but trying our best to inhabit the present

i find "imagined futures" (the good sort) to never really be that radical, and to always incorporate certain base assumptions: humans must be in this future (or: the future is for humans), this future will tend towards some form of economic collectivism (socialism, communism, etc.), it will be a more technologically advanced future regardless of how this technology is distributed, etc

rarely do we imagine the future where humans willingly exterminate themselves so that the other billions of species can live on, or futures that completely reimagine categories like the economic or the technological as necessary, important.

other thing to consider: the future as a political byproduct of heteronormativity
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby bels » Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:24 am

Wait so I was right with that Hegel punt? Honestly a shot in the dark I was going to say Kant but swerved at the last moment.

Anyway I think you're right. Imagining things isn't enough or at least the level of imagining we've done so far?
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby odradek » Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:12 pm

anyone want to help me (read: do for me) a t shirt design that is the nasa logo and says "basque space program"?
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby PrimePrime » Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:31 pm

I recently started a youtube channel about clothes and I have care-tags to thank for a lot of the inspo. This community was the first fashion site that wasn't overly self-serious. I've learned a ton from you good people and I can't thank you enough. If you enjoy it, I'd be honored if you subbed, there's a lot more coming in the next few days.

Anyway, here's my ridiculously silly review of some EG pants I bought at Nepenthes

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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby CheerUpBrokeBoy » Thu Oct 04, 2018 3:32 pm

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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby thephfactor » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:12 am

Shit, can't believe I missed futuretheorytalk.

I think the Lee Edelman essay is interesting and it has influenced me but I think it's itself politically suspect. Partly as a result of reading it, I also tend to de-emphasize the future in my politics because I think it's totally defined by capitalist ideology. I like to scandalize my friends by getting drunk and hollering about how the future does not exist and only sells you products. But while he has some interesting stuff in there, Edelman I think is ultimately heavily susceptible to the sort of bankrupt "end of history" neoliberalism in his political outlook.

I do think that the way we think of time in our society (not saying it's ideal) necessitates thinking ahead to some degree. I would hesitate to say we need an imagined future, but we do need a plan.

I did write a bunch on this subject in regards to the Blade Runner sequel in the cyberpunk thread a while back.
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby CheerUpBrokeBoy » Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:09 am

after going to hypefest i really understand why raf made a conscious decision to move away from streetwear

you really don't want to be that coveted of a brand among people that still wear vlone
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby popcorn » Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:07 am

I was gonna go to Nepenthes at noon today to get the new EGxHokas, but decided it would be better if I just spend those 2 hours studying physics more, and then I can just go uptown after school in the evening when I'm done with classes and there's no stress, plus I can just make 1 trip back to Bushwick instead of 2.

They were out of my size. From this day forth no more nerd shit
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby fun_yunchables » Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:49 am

^the converse of that, i had an option of buyig the eg hokas in my size & color online but decided not to... the frugal flex
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby popcorn » Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:01 am

to be completely honest I am enjoying the $200 I received by not purchasing my 14th pair of shoes
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby bels » Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:34 am

We're going to need to get some fresh young #spenders in here soon if the entire major intake is moving onto being sanctimonious about 'no cop' if it can still even be called that.
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby popcorn » Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:14 pm

I think your no-cop thread was a critical development tool for a lot of us here, and probably played no small part in my college admissions essays, but the drawback is that care-tags will never be as active as kanyetothe
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby fun_yunchables » Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:58 pm

we've just gone from looking at Gross Flex Product to Gross Flex Product Return

examples:
Acronym may have high Gross Flex Product to a certain demographic, but poor Gross Flex Product Return. The InterOps ability to quickly draw your macbook to write some python code for your ~world changing~ catfood sharing app has great pull with the techbro/acronym group, but requires the purchase of two expensive units.

Engineered Garments has high Gross Flex Product, but finding vintage heritage garments in a thrift/consignment store has exponentially better Gross Flex Product Return, as you get almost the same product for significantly less.

Kiko Kostadinov has high Gross Flex Product, but wearing Dickies has much better Gross Flex Product Return as you get practical workwear at a fraction of the cost. Compare the cost of triple dart pants to 874s + tailoring/modifications.
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby bels » Wed Oct 24, 2018 8:28 am

There was a recent youtube video that explored tailoring your own dickies.
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby Julio » Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:50 am

fun_yunchables wrote:we've just gone from looking at Gross Flex Product to Gross Flex Product Return

examples:
Acronym may have high Gross Flex Product to a certain demographic, but poor Gross Flex Product Return. The InterOps ability to quickly draw your macbook to write some python code for your ~world changing~ catfood sharing app has great pull with the techbro/acronym group, but requires the purchase of two expensive units.

Engineered Garments has high Gross Flex Product, but finding vintage heritage garments in a thrift/consignment store has exponentially better Gross Flex Product Return, as you get almost the same product for significantly less.

Kiko Kostadinov has high Gross Flex Product, but wearing Dickies has much better Gross Flex Product Return as you get practical workwear at a fraction of the cost. Compare the cost of triple dart pants to 874s + tailoring/modifications.


are these the holy trinity of brands that give you clout™ but have enough substance within their execution/perspective to be "fulfilling"™ to own

"in the name of the Acronym, the Kiko, and the EG"
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby bels » Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:20 am

If anyone has seen anyone using interops in the wild let me know.

It'll be very obvious because they'll be wearing a bag under their jacket.
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby smiles » Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:52 am

Our Revolution Paisley jean jacket
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby bels » Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:34 am

Gradually affecting an EG stye asymmetry on my suede vans slip ons by only suede brushing one of them stay tuned.
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby meatjacket » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:48 pm

army gear is absolutely my thing.. MA1, A-2, OG 507 pants and shirt, GATs, watch caps, NATO straps, etc..

I love it, the simple looks paired with the high quality + comfort for generally pretty cheap is a great aesthetic i see myself working in. I'm careful not to make it feel like a costume but its usually pretty simple so even wearing multiple army gear at once doesnt look too odd unless its all the same shade (no camo)

Also it feels really good to workout in, like duh theyre made to withstand physical activity
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby hharrissonn » Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:17 pm

I went to DSMLA today and it was neat. Here are a few take aways.

- Kiko's stuff looks/feels very cool in person, lives up to the internet hype imo, but I'm not in that tax bracket so like it will be nice to just be able to go look at it. They didn't have any of the Affix stuff left when I went, and I assume it was probably some of the first to sell out on Saturday. They had a small rack of Telfar which was nice to see, I hope that does well here. (smiling) Menswear from The Row was very cool to look at in person, but I honestly don't see it doing as well in LA as I'm sure it will in New York. The Noah space was my favorite (obvi), and now I want to buy one of those corduroy suits but like when would I wear that??

- I cant speak to other DSM locations but LA feels very much like a space that is meant to be photographed/for people to be photographed in. There were like 60 million people there today because it's opening weekend so this wasn't as common as I'm sure it will be in the next couple of weeks as things start to slow down, but there were already a LOT of people snapping pictures of displays/waiting their turn to pose with the sculptures and displays that break up the space. All of the designer specific spaces are set up almost like a TV set with two walls and some kind of backdrop/central fixture. (lol I guess I stopped in the middle of writing this sentence the first time.) It feels very LA and I definitely understand the appeal of that kind of merchandising, but I think I prefer places like Opening Ceremony that are equally interesting to walk around/shop in, and you don't feel like you're ruining someone's photo while you're trying to shop (plus I honestly like their buys more).

- They gave away chains that say "DOVER STREET MARKET LOS ANGELES" as a gift w/ purchase. People are probably selling them on Grailed for like $200 lmao. I bought one of the Noah exclusive t-shirts and this cute hat from Denim Tears.
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby PrimePrime » Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:10 pm

I've been running my fashion channel for about six weeks now and I feel I've made a lot of progress on video quality and such. Did a review of some cdgh+ trousers that are some of my favs that I own. Again, you guys have been so instrumental in the development of my taste and I really appreciate all the regular posters around here (smiling)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcODdfT0ZUo&t=210s
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby INNIT » Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:15 am

have any ppl in canada used the uniqlo mobile app to shop?? why do they only let you shop via app and not webstore??? can you buy any of the good stuff or is it the typical clothing-chain-moves-to-canada thing where you get to choose from a selection of the brand's shittiest items?
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby CheerUpBrokeBoy » Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:26 pm

eugene rabkin combines the elitism and unlikeability of a bret easton ellis character with the writing ability and snide tone of an MRA redditor
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