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Re: ramdom fashion thoughts

PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2014 1:15 pm
by maj
cameron- wrote:whys it gotta be a service? get ur cream up


away from the straight "it's not a service argument" the idea of forums with people saying "quality for price is falling with every brand ever" and they simply can't comprehend why a brand would want to capitalise on markets and popularity to turn a profit, as soon they're in a position to make £20 off some bst they're all for it and it's all "fair as they could do it also". the whole attitude leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth. we could just sell at low prices and buy at low prices as no-one really loses anything as it's all going to payed forward onto them when they're after something, markets like fuk are some of the best examples of this working as they're selling some gear for silly prices on the faith people will do it also, if they buy from sales, ebay or other forums they have threads for people to call dibs when it doesn't work out to get it at the same/less than what was paid. but instead what we get is a market where i can't just list my shit for cheap as some guy is either going to lowball me to where they want it for £1 or i expect to see it on sufu next week for its actual price, this just causes people to hike they're prices up and in the end pay more.

the argument of "they didn't know what they were selling" doesn't float with me either, someone who owns this stuff and is active within these communities 9/10 times is going to know what it is. chances are they're trying to sell it to a reasonable price to someone in the community to spread good feelings and pay something back, or trying to give someone who might want it a chance at a good price. i've been sold shit for far, far below retail on a few bits by people who didn't know me and when it came to reselling sold it to people who genuinely wanted the piece and even when they sold it months later it was for what i sold it to them for. that was a great outcome, but if i saw it sold for more 3 weeks later it would would have definitely left me a bit peeved.

i just feel it's more beneficial and builds greater community spirit as a whole if we create a more sharing community when it comes to selling, that it is to turn it into some business especially in what is a hobbyist environment.

this is without even mentioning those who camp limited drops to resell to the same communities who had their alarms set and details ready to go in the first place.

Re: ramdom fashion thoughts

PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2014 2:54 pm
by oucho
well from a business philosophy point of view it's immoral to earn money without contributing to society

Re: ramdom fashion thoughts

PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2014 6:41 pm
by rjbman
Why is it that the internet seems to declare things that reach mainstream popularity overplayed or however you want to phrase it? I'm talking Roshes, olive M-65 and similar military jackets, flyknits, etc.

I could see people claiming oversaturation, but even before it reaches that point there's plenty of people online posting about that, possibly even with more frequency (because hey it's cool on that dude so I'll get it too).

Is it just the sense of superiority, that you're on this super awesome, super secret thing that only internet peoples will truly appreciate? At that point it's pretty much the same as being a "hipster", which I'll choose to define here as being into obscure things (that you do enjoy and think are cool) but only while they're not enjoyed by the world at large.

Is it because you hate that some guy walked up to you and complimented you on your MA+ jacket, telling you they saw it over at H&M but didn't feel like buying it and isn't it just so neat that you've got it, it looks fantastic on you, and inside you just wanna explain carefully how your jacket is superior but you smile weakly and accept the compliment?

Or something else?

Re: ramdom fashion thoughts

PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2014 7:50 pm
by jrisk
from a first person view, I think it boils down to the idea that I want to be perceived as unique and I want to seem like I'm not influenced by the same things that influence the rest of the population at large—because then it associates me with certain people and stuff that I don't want to be associated with. Instead, I look up to whoever I think are the Cool People and wanting to be associated with them, I copy them and wear what they wear.

When you get more focused on fashion, you get even more in tune when it comes to trends and it just scales up from there. I guess at a certain point, you're just playing the trend game and part of that includes a sense of superiority. Being the first to call the shots on when something is "oversaturated" is just a way to get ahead.

What about the idea of someone discovering a trend without realizing the trend existed? While they might end up looking like everyone else, ins't there more value in truly being original and true to self (trying to avoid the use of of "authentic" here) than everyone else who's following it because a trend is a trend is a trend is a trend?

Re: ramdom fashion thoughts

PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2014 8:19 pm
by starfox64
ex said she didn't want to have sex with me anymore because it's now a "simulacra of what it used to be."

def going to wear c-e shirt next time i see her.

she won't notice or care but i'll be laughing to myself about how clever i am.

Re: ramdom fashion thoughts

PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2014 8:21 pm
by deadkitty
rjbman wrote:Why is it that the internet seems to declare things that reach mainstream popularity overplayed or however you want to phrase it? I'm talking Roshes, olive M-65 and similar military jackets, flyknits, etc.


My issue with roshes, flyknits, etc. is less that they're "oversaturated" and more that people just seem to throw them into fits without thinking about it. eg raws + roshes. bleh

Re: ramdom fashion thoughts

PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2014 10:53 pm
by popcorn
deadkitty wrote:My issue with roshes, flyknits, etc. is less that they're "oversaturated" and more that people just seem to throw them into fits without thinking about it. eg raws + roshes. bleh


Seconded, I really like the flyknit chukkas because they're really not a running shoe, but I've only seen them with jeans and chore coats and barbours, and it feels so wrong.
I think they'd be really good in a sporty city-dweller, daily errands context. Cargo pants / really slim sweats or track pants, henley and a bomber or smooth black hoodie. It's kinda obvious.

Re: ramdom fashion thoughts

PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2014 11:56 pm
by RomanEmpire
ryan_firecrotch wrote:Seconded, I really like the flyknit chukkas because they're really not a running shoe, but I've only seen them with jeans and chore coats and barbours, and it feels so wrong.
I think they'd be really good in a sporty city-dweller, daily errands context. Cargo pants / really slim sweats or track pants, henley and a bomber or smooth black hoodie. It's kinda obvious.


Really? I feel like the only time I've seen flyknit chukkas are in the way that you described they should be worn. Unless you mean in person, which in that case I've never seen at all.

Re: ramdom fashion thoughts

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 1:13 am
by popcorn
I only saw them on mfa, for what it's worth, hahaha.

Re: ramdom fashion thoughts

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 1:26 am
by fun_yunchables
i think this is the kind of pigeonholing thought process that prevents creativity from flourishing. not gonna fully rebuke your opinion, but in the past there was probably a time when people wore basketball shoes w/ jeans and the same "but they're not wearing basketball shorts!" argument was thrown around

Re: ramdom fashion thoughts

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 1:39 am
by CleanThug
I still think we should have a Recent Purchases thread

Re: ramdom fashion thoughts

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 3:08 am
by smiles
everyday struggle to stop buying either black clothes or jeans. i want lots of weird cdg stuff but when I come into some cash I always forget about it and buy black things. gah.

also the eternal hair struggle.

Re: ramdom fashion thoughts

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 3:13 am
by Syeknom
smiles wrote:everyday struggle to stop buying either black clothes or jeans. i want lots of weird cdg stuff but when I come into some cash I always forget about it and buy black things. gah.


Buy fun colours!

Re: ramdom fashion thoughts

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 3:19 am
by charybdis
The owner of standupcomedy is extremely cool. Although I think I was probably a super awkward conversation partner.

By the way @chadnik, I touched a building block bag and it was wonderful. Although she only carries the square and the really big one. These were super lovely in person though, and maybe worth adding to the list of grails.

Re: ramdom fashion thoughts

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 3:28 am
by smiles
all pieces from dot.comme

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Re: ramdom fashion thoughts

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 6:35 am
by oucho
rjbman wrote:Why is it that the internet seems to declare things that reach mainstream popularity overplayed or however you want to phrase it? I'm talking Roshes, olive M-65 and similar military jackets, flyknits, etc.

I could see people claiming oversaturation, but even before it reaches that point there's plenty of people online posting about that, possibly even with more frequency (because hey it's cool on that dude so I'll get it too).

Is it just the sense of superiority, that you're on this super awesome, super secret thing that only internet peoples will truly appreciate? At that point it's pretty much the same as being a "hipster", which I'll choose to define here as being into obscure things (that you do enjoy and think are cool) but only while they're not enjoyed by the world at large.

Is it because you hate that some guy walked up to you and complimented you on your MA+ jacket, telling you they saw it over at H&M but didn't feel like buying it and isn't it just so neat that you've got it, it looks fantastic on you, and inside you just wanna explain carefully how your jacket is superior but you smile weakly and accept the compliment?

Or something else?

If you go on a site like care-tags you're probably pretty aware of what's going on, you're exposed to trends earlier, and as a result you move on from them faster. The fact that you're also being exposed to other people like you that are into the same things can mean that you'll be over it even faster. I'm not sure if I have ever seen an olive M-65 in real life, but I've seen it enough on the internet to now that it's a popular piece. It all comes down to what you're exposed to I guess, if I didn't go on the internet, or lived somewhere different, I would potentially not be bored of olive M-65s. For example we have obviously had different experiences with Roshes, last January when I was at castings I saw them EVERYWHERE, to the extent that my friend, who was wearing a pair, did a complete volte face and declared that they were shit. When you see an item of clothing in a situation that changes your perception of it, and what you think it will say about you if you wear it.

Also I always personally feel like if I like an item, and a lot of other people like an item, that's fine, but it doesn't necessarily say much about you. It's like saying 'I like football', that's fine, but it's not much of a statement about yourself, and tbh no one cares. Whilst if I like something that's a bit different, or not a lot of other people have noticed, it's logical to assume that this is more of an expression of who I am rather than 'Yes, I am also a human and like some things that other humans like too.'

And let's face it we know that because of the way these companies work a lot of these pieces are gonna stick around for a while because of their commercial success and as a result I think that makes you more likely to move on, because even if you're not 100% sick of it yet, you know you're going to be

Re: ramdom fashion thoughts

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 6:42 am
by oucho
@ramseames I'm curious, why did did you neg rep my previous comment with a question mark? Are you a parasite? Do you consider it acceptable to take money from society without contributing anything back? This is the basic principle that capitalism is founded on, which means that, logically, if you disagree with me you must be a communist.

Re: ramdom fashion thoughts

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 8:29 am
by maj
current fashion trends and themes have left me in great stead for my postmodernist film essays, who says nothing good comes from mindlessly scrolling pretty pictures.

Re: ramdom fashion thoughts

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 8:43 am
by ramseames
You were being ridiculously hyperbolic dude. If you pay the required amount of taxes on your income/your business's revenue that's allanyone can ask from you

Re: ramdom fashion thoughts

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 10:13 am
by stappard_
Folk/Oliver Spencer/YMC sample sale this weekend in London, up to 80% off

28 Redchurch Street, 12-7 fri, 12-6 sat, 12-4 sun

Re: ramdom fashion thoughts

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 11:11 am
by raags
i don't know what direction i want to take my wardrobe in and it stresses me out a lot. i have been thinking of taking it in a near monochrome/military/slightly futuristic direction but i see so many pieces i find inspiring and compelling and exciting i don't know where to go. i bought some dbss boots from yahoo jp today on impulse though and i think taking it in the aforementioned direction is good for me and will make me feel good. i am an extroverted, jovial, silly guy in person and in my head the contrast of wearing a lot of black and more sombre clothing really appeals to me. just need a nice outerwear piece before winter properly kicks in, a ideally a nice jacket or coat that i feel i can hide from the world inside and wear the fuck out of. rak city, don't fail me now...

Re: ramdom fashion thoughts

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 2:15 pm
by anonomous
save your fav outfits you see online and build from there (smiling)

Re: ramdom fashion thoughts

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 2:22 pm
by can-
just relax. if you're not enjoying your relationship with clothing (be it wearing, shopping, discussing, taking fit pics) then just step back for a minute.

money can cop jawnz but swag is a small bonsai tree in ur heart which requires patience and love

Re: ramdom fashion thoughts

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 2:59 pm
by oucho
ramseames wrote:You were being ridiculously hyperbolic dude. If you pay the required amount of taxes on your income/your business's revenue that's allanyone can ask from you

On a serious note: I don't agree with this!!!? Paying your taxes is the absolute minimum contribution you should make. I think people have this idea that being a capitalist means doing whatever is best for you, but that's not how it works, at least in my opinion. If you take the view that running a business is just about making profit then it's theoretically possible to run a business that is detrimental to society but which earns you money. FOR EXAMPLE: two businesses provide internet in an area, business 1 provides a reliable and faster service than business 2 but business 2 has recently launched a successful advertising campaign and as a result provides for most of the region. On the one hand you can argue that business 2 had more business nous and ran their company better, and therefore deserve it, on the other hand society is now worse off.

The product/service that you provide IS the objective of your company and represents the specific contribution to society that you can make. If you are arguing that the service a business provides is just to pay their taxes to the government it is therefore the government's duty to contribute to society, which is actually SOCIALIST. I'm not seriously calling you a commie though lol. You can even argue that in some cases the success of your business makes no difference to society if your only contribution is to pay taxes as if you failed you could be perfectly replaced by competitors, but that's a little extreme.

Obviously this is kind of an ABSTRACT idea, one which you could never enforce on anyone and which leaves a lot of grey area. You have to take into account the providing of jobs and economic multipliers too. But I still believe that it's a way of looking at business that should be more prominent. I'm not saying you shouldn't aim to make money, but do it by doing something which contributes to society, as that is what the idea of capitalism is based on, rather than manipulating a system, you commie bastard.

ANYWAY this is completely off topic

Re: ramdom fashion thoughts

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 3:36 pm
by absurdmind
i only have a small list of stuff left to buy for this summer and its all cheap stuff but im broke so that sucks. doc sale ends today and i was hoping to pick up some sandals but that will have to wait. ll bean has the best customer service ive ever dealt with and they have a sweater that is exactly the kind ive been looking for for months. it has decently thick ribs going vertically throughout without looking like it was just knitted, it comes in black and stocks in june so im excited for that. also going to pick up some patagonia shorts for my wardrobe to be complete. im calling this look suburban-goth-hiker, its totally going to catch on.

Re: ramdom fashion thoughts

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 3:57 pm
by RycePooding
once you go baggy linen pants you never go back


until i find something else i like at least

Re: ramdom fashion thoughts

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 5:41 pm
by AmericanPie
I'm not sure if getting stuck in a comfort zone with clothing is good or bad...

Re: ramdom fashion thoughts

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 6:46 pm
by BobbyZamora
ramseames wrote:You were being ridiculously hyperbolic dude. If you pay the required amount of taxes on your income/your business's revenue that's allanyone can ask from you


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COINCIDENCE? I think not

get out of here red scum

Re: ramdom fashion thoughts

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 7:13 pm
by rublev
I love Marni right now... like not the more formal stuff but the more weird things that are colourful and nice shapes... also the trousers... always seems to be simple but interesting trousers for spring summer.

Re: ramdom fashion thoughts

PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 1:42 am
by Thomnd
couldn't think of anywhere else to put this. Space Dandy x Zozotown
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