Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

[kremvax]

"archive girl energy"? does this make anyone else feel bad inside

[maj]

Who tf out there buying neighbourhood like fr

[CheerUpBrokeBoy]

i guess twitter ceo jack dorsey is a full rick owens fit guy

it's nice to see those guys have a positive role model like that

[popcorn]

anyone know a market option for a black shoe marketed towards men that is you would say "sexy" (excluding trickers)

[CheerUpBrokeBoy]

yo when did eytys start putting out heat

the last time i thought about that brand they were just the Platform Vans brand

[anth]

every salomon and asics wearer i talk to keeps trying to deny that they're a hypebeast

[Sam]

Peoples thoughts on bode ?


Started off really liking it but then as I followed the brand on insta and learned more about the designer it just started to leave a very sour taste in my mouth.

The clothes themselves are gorgeous, amazing fabrics, well put together etc

Reminds me a bit of By Walid but more tasteful

However it just, as i mentioned before, feels a little bit wrong? Emily Bode the eponymous designer is essentially an incredibly affluent WASPy person from the east coast of america.

And for her to be making these garments, out of fabrics from india, parts of africa etc just feels so weird to me. Obviously its not just about the fabrics origin its also about the way its all presented and styled, it's all very neo-colonial.

I can't exactly put my finger on it and perhaps i'm overreacting but it just doesn't sit right with me.

[UnwashedMolasses]

Said it in the comment but I agree. The clothes look good but to be benefiting from the culture and aesthetics of cultures other than your own, particularly when your own people have systemically disenfranchised and colonized the culture that you're farming, is gross to me unless it is very specifically addressed and dealt with. STORY to me is the perfect counterpart to this - uses a lot of textiles/techniques and literal labor from India but always completely centers these laborers and their lives and experiences in every aspect of the garments themselves and the message of the brand.

[popcorn]

the 1950-70 bohemian home baggy white short-sleeve collared shirt, overlarge shoulder padded gray suit west coast red-checked table cloth Mad Men Betty Draper aesthetic is never really acerbic enough for me to complain about, the vague sunny nostalgia feels boringly indifferent and away from the present and political

[WussWayne]

Mysterious Japanese woman rocks up to @Odradek's front step one day to help him sort through his Undercover collection.

(Only on Netflix)

[vice]

Peoples thoughts on bode ?


Started off really liking it but then as I followed the brand on insta and learned more about the designer it just started to leave a very sour taste in my mouth.

The clothes themselves are gorgeous, amazing fabrics, well put together etc

Reminds me a bit of By Walid but more tasteful

However it just, as i mentioned before, feels a little bit wrong? Emily Bode the eponymous designer is essentially an incredibly affluent WASPy person from the east coast of america.

And for her to be making these garments, out of fabrics from india, parts of africa etc just feels so weird to me. Obviously its not just about the fabrics origin its also about the way its all presented and styled, it's all very neo-colonial.

I can't exactly put my finger on it and perhaps i'm overreacting but it just doesn't sit right with me.

i got into bode a couple months ago and actually started a thread on here about the brand. i didn't really focus on this season's made in india stuff and i really liked a lot of the patchwork stuff from last season, but i'm not sure how much i really agree with what you're saying. i won't claim to be the most sensitive about this sort of stuff but i view a lot of the production and branding to be done in good faith. It might not be central to the brand's identity like Story but it looks like there is an effort made to be somewhat transparent with the production done in india. in interviews she seems to care deeply about refurbing and preserving the vintage textiles she sources. i view their MO more as a genuine effort to create (and recreate) interesting and well made garments in a sustainable and respectful manner rather than completely ape a foreign aesthetic for personal financial gain. yes you could criticize the presentation of the clothes but it seems to me to be more about presenting them in an aesthetically appropriate context, given the amount of care taken to preserve the actual textile.

obviously i don't know the relationship between her and the factory she uses over in india or how much she's really profiting from her brand but i'm more comfortable with the fact that the clothes are created with a more earnest interest in quality, respect and sustainability than most other brands you would buy clothes from.

anyway, i see your point and i think that it's important to be aware of that possibility but i'm not totally convinced that she's cynical, opportunistic and seeking to exploit foreign culture for her own gain.

[fun_yunchables]

depends on where you want to draw the line i suppose. fashion itself is colonial in history — accepted wear is based upon eurocentric standards (while more recently there is more non-euro tailoring, by and large the majority still affirms to accepted eurocentric aesthetics).

i personally find a lot of white designers to be tonedeaf when it comes to appropriation/appreciation tbh. looking at you raf simons. that blade runner inspired show was just major yikes all around screaming of orientalism — who the fuck prints new order and joy division on rice paper lanterns AND employs old folk from chinatown as a gimmick. just yikes. dunno about everyone else’s experiences but ive found that white europeans tend to make more microagressions to people of asian descent than any other continental group (probably not malicious but just basing things off stereotypes?). That and finding high fashion largely centered in europe creates a pervasive hegemony in which other cultures are transformed in aesthetics without context

to conclude fuck D&G (for specifically fuck stefano)

Edit: also not really fashion but man y’all ever touch yoga culture? Some of it legit just white/westernized people adopting Indian aesthetics n maybe one small facet of culture without context. Analogous to what i mean above

[Sam]

i got into bode a couple months ago and actually started a thread on here about the brand. i didn't really focus on this season's made in india stuff and i really liked a lot of the patchwork stuff from last season, but i'm not sure how much i really agree with what you're saying. i won't claim to be the most sensitive about this sort of stuff but i view a lot of the production and branding to be done in good faith. It might not be central to the brand's identity like Story but it looks like there is an effort made to be somewhat transparent with the production done in india. in interviews she seems to care deeply about refurbing and preserving the vintage textiles she sources. i view their MO more as a genuine effort to create (and recreate) interesting and well made garments in a sustainable and respectful manner rather than completely ape a foreign aesthetic for personal financial gain. yes you could criticize the presentation of the clothes but it seems to me to be more about presenting them in an aesthetically appropriate context, given the amount of care taken to preserve the actual textile.

obviously i don't know the relationship between her and the factory she uses over in india or how much she's really profiting from her brand but i'm more comfortable with the fact that the clothes are created with a more earnest interest in quality, respect and sustainability than most other brands you would buy clothes from.

anyway, i see your point and i think that it's important to be aware of that possibility but i'm not totally convinced that she's cynical, opportunistic and seeking to exploit foreign culture for her own gain.

With all these types of things the issue isn't whether or not she is doing this cynically/opportunistically etc, of course it is very clear she has a deep love of the clothes etc and from her position she is doing the right thing etc.

I'm in total agreement that it's all done in good faith I don't actually think she sits there and thinks how can i fuck over people of colour some more.

As you say, she is refurbing and "preserving" these vintage textiles, but really she is just appropriating the aesthetics of the cultures from which the fabrics are from.

Don't you think a museum such as the british museum thinks that they are preserving their artefacts ?

Anyway the thing that really turned me off was seeing her home for the holidays in her very nicely decorated family home which was full of knick knacks.

It essentially just felt like a super orientalist space + def the type of family to own african masks displayed prominently somewhere.


also flicking thru the vogue album



how is this woman not a coloniser loooool

[bels]

POC swipe left as soon as they see a horse

[deadkitty]

why are croc collabs all so bad

(exception: chris kane)

[rjbman]

because crocs are already perfect and any collab reduces that

[WussWayne]

Julia Holter signed my vinyl and said my floral EG fit was dope. Never wearing anything else.

[WussWayne]

I'm now sharing my jawnz with my friend who's a shoegaze artist/techno dj. This is the clout I was looking for all these years

[Copeland]

Tried to go to Bodega in Boston, kept walking around in circles cuz there was no sign, finally found the door, went in, and it was an actual Bodega. I sighed and was gonna get a drink and leave but the counter girl said something like "in case you've never been here before, this place is veeery interesting," I was like cool. Then two seconds later a dude carrying a Bodega bag walks through the backdoor that's covered in stickers. All I could think was what if I was some old white dude decked out in LL Bean, would they have said anything? I know this is supposed to make me feel special for knowing what SISP stands for but it's also a bit snobbish. Ended up kopping for the first time in two years (carhartt pants) out of need, for work. Salespeople were nice. They have good stuff seeing as they are the Haven of USA after all. Though all the good stuff I had to ask to see. I'm gonna stick to online.

[bels]

Fashion...could be elitist.

[hharrissonn]

Interested to know what you guys think about Jacquemus Men's after two seasons have been shown and one has officially hit stores.

The SS19 show ("Le Gadjo") wasn't very well received critically but I really liked it. Kind of reminded me of a french version of Stephan Schneider or Dana Lee, very classic looking relaxed styles with some qt detailing and eccentricities. I ended up ordering this shirt

Spoiler:

and the tiny white shorts (which are silly but I love the idea) online and tried on the knit tank in a store today and liked it enough to buy it.
The FW19 collection was definitely much more well liked, and I'm very into the leather jeans and popover chore coats and bags and stuff, but I have a feeling the price-points (which are already on the upper end of mid-range, around brands like Acne and Our Legacy) are probably going to be higher and I'm going to have to hope that it will hit sales/be available on the second hand market. Luckily they've picked up a solid number of stockists it seems so hopefully they do well because I'm pretty into it tbh.

[CheerUpBrokeBoy]

too many brands incorporating bandanas/bandana patterns into their pieces now. knock it off