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Re: Photography thread

Postby kickingthefly » Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:22 am

i think so much comes down to whether you buy into the whole photography schtick and i'm (perhaps too?) resistant. someone like alec soth's work- based on the little i know- appears to rely on easy aestheticism, cliched ideas of kerouac-ian americana, dumb sense of 'authentic' etc. to say nothing of the whole queasy subject-object relation, economic inequality/exploitation thing. that seems more or less the case for most of those old magnum guys tho?
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Re: Photography thread

Postby HexKeySet » Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:10 pm

kickingthefly wrote:buy into the whole photography schtick and i'm (perhaps too?) resistant. someone like alec soth's work- based on the little i know- appears to rely on easy aestheticism, cliched ideas of kerouac-ian americana, dumb sense of 'authentic' etc. to say nothing of the whole queasy subject-object relation


Not sure what "photography shtick" is. As per your criticism (which I agree with) Alex Soth is just straight shtick, no? And that shtick can rear its ugly head in any sector of art.

Photography can be shtick-free! I think I don't come at the camera with any great desire to orchestrate some overarching provocative/banal/anything-in-between theme, and I like to think that my favourite photographers--many of whom are old Magnum guys--are free of that too. At least, when I look their work, I don't feel like I'm being assailed by any of the negative qualities that are readily evident in Soth's.
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Re: Photography thread

Postby tweefwend » Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:09 pm

went with friends to SF yesterday

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Re: Photography thread

Postby Sam » Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:08 pm

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Re: Photography thread

Postby oucho » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:34 am

I went to the Gursky too and also found it ok. I liked his earlier stuff the most as it actually did feel quite ambiguous and I guess mysterious and the later stuff not so much. Some of the later stuff felt a little bit gimmicky to me, I guess it's interesting how photomanipulation just creates images that look different from photography even if its subtle. When I think of photomanips I think of adverts or gimmicky manips where there's a woman, but her hair is made of leaves now. And actually I feel like a lot of the ways Gursky manipped his photos was also pretty gimmicky, even stuff like the reconstruction of the tokyo cityscape where some buildings are blurred and others are focused felt gimmicky. I guess some of the images felt like they had a complex and interesting thing going on and some really really didn't (hello liquify).
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Re: Photography thread

Postby kickingthefly » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:04 pm

pretty much all photography is gimmick/schtick tbh, its only meaningful/ culturally relevant form at this point is the teen selfie.
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Re: Photography thread

Postby costanza » Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:29 am

kickingthefly wrote:pretty much all photography is gimmick/schtick tbh, its only meaningful/ culturally relevant form at this point is the teen selfie.


That's a provocative statement, care to elaborate?
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Re: Photography thread

Postby bels » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:06 am

Photography never managed to establish an aesthetic standard before it was swarmed by adverts, photojournalism, holiday pics etc. Most 'art photos' are:

Visual punchline - Something with some kind of thematic contradiction or bait and switch
Uncommon sight - This is mostly just photojournalism and only of interest because it's a photo. (a photograph of god would be amazing, a drawing of god is pointless)
Appeal to authenticity - black and white or at this point medium/large format film photography or even just digital that's been edited to look as such. Looks 'good' because it appeals to baked in value systems of old (read expensive) things having superior aesthetics. Would have no appeal if it was taken with a bad camera (unless that camera was wielded by someone with enough social capital that they could claim the bad camera had some level of authenticity that was important). Basically audiophile art (it's just so much warmer looking/sounding)
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Re: Photography thread

Postby Minkhoi » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:10 am

took some pics in Barcelona (smiling)

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Re: Photography thread

Postby oucho » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:53 am

has anyone here heard of karl martin holzhäuser? I came across him ages ago on the internet on a blog that doesn't exist anymore http://www.souslesetoilesgallery.net/ar ... w=slider#4
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Re: Photography thread

Postby kremvax » Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:03 am

i just got some film back today and am really excited about the photos that came out!! i've included some pictures from the winter here too. the olympus stylus epic i got from a thrift shop broke and i replaced it with another but i wish i got a xa or xa2 instead sometimes. it is just a lot of pictures of myself and friends

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Re: Photography thread

Postby Sam » Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:35 pm

A few pics from a project ive been shooting over the past couple of weeks documenting my hometown.

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Re: Photography thread

Postby kickingthefly » Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:24 am

i have to agree with fellow teen above who asks bela what an aesthetic standard even is. and i actually think photography did have its moment, kind of based around barthes' camera lucida, all photographs being about death etc. unfortunately it just crystallised around that, nobody took the form forward- even today when i talk to 'big' photographers they just go on about the same shit, and look blank when i point out they're relying on idees recus that dont even make sense any more (for example the 'documentary' power that barthes talks about has gone entirely and now resides in new technological forms, like facebook live).
its not even like im entirely against the nostalgic aspect of loving kodak film when used by a good artist (tacita dean for example)
but at this point as ive said photography seems almost 100% correlated with a global leisured class of people who can afford a good camera and the time/money to find picturesque locations, look at all these laughable 'taste' signifiers (the new 'laughing indian slum children' is fucking brushed concrete staircases, brutalist buildings, non-lieux etc.).
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Re: Photography thread

Postby bels » Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:19 am

The aesthetic standards were defined by the tastes rich people who commissioned art/were patrons/owned museums/were collectors. Photography from the very start lacked of any kind of structure to dwell within/rebel against except for 'being accepted by the establishment' which they managed to do once colour film was invented (meant you could take black and white photos and they would be considered art)
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Re: Photography thread

Postby INNIT » Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:34 pm

bels wrote:The aesthetic standards were defined by the tastes rich people who commissioned art/were patrons/owned museums/were collectors. Photography from the very start lacked of any kind of structure to dwell within/rebel against except for 'being accepted by the establishment' which they managed to do once colour film was invented (meant you could take black and white photos and they would be considered art)


but most emerging cultural forms started off without any "structure" or were actually indicative of "low taste" (ie they were not supported by the patronage of rich people). if you're going to make these claims about photography you also have to do the same with theater, novels, film, etc.
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Re: Photography thread

Postby bels » Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:34 am

Think I'm just arguing for the sake of it now, but surely novels were pretty elitist for a good amount of time (most people were illiterate etc), same with film (very difficult to get hold of video equipment for cheap until quite recently)

Theatre probably the odd one out. But maybe I can try and formulate an argument to take down the medium of theatre if I'm already trying to take down photography.
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Re: Photography thread

Postby INNIT » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:28 am

well, novels developed simultaneously with capitalism and the printing press in the 19th century; they were very much a "popular" genre contrasted with poetry and, at this point, theater. 18th century novels were like, a different beast, and vary drastically across continental Europe in terms of acceptability (many 18th century works read like weird pomo novels without the chapters and were published anonymously).

but anyways, what we think of as aesthetic standards, at least the way you describe them, are usually applied retroactively by some sort of bourgeoisie class rather than being emergent with the form itself. we might say modernism rebelled against 19 century realism but it's not really until the "modern period" that the latter works are being valorized in the first place. that's the point that i was trying to make. i think that most emergent forms start off rather rhizomatic and that it takes time for elite classes to retrospectively decide "what's good," codify/striate things, etc. this process obviously speeds up in the ages of mechanical and digital reproduction.

(this is my weird defence of photography, a medium that i know nothing about)
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Re: Photography thread

Postby oucho » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:11 pm

I think the more pressing topic is how can we (care-tags) wrest power from the elites and finally couple our bourgeois userbase with true aesthetic influence.
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Re: Photography thread

Postby bels » Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:51 pm

INNIT wrote:well, novels developed simultaneously with capitalism and the printing press in the 19th century; they were very much a "popular" genre contrasted with poetry and, at this point, theater. 18th century novels were like, a different beast, and vary drastically across continental Europe in terms of acceptability (many 18th century works read like weird pomo novels without the chapters and were published anonymously).

but anyways, what we think of as aesthetic standards, at least the way you describe them, are usually applied retroactively by some sort of bourgeoisie class rather than being emergent with the form itself. we might say modernism rebelled against 19 century realism but it's not really until the "modern period" that the latter works are being valorized in the first place. that's the point that i was trying to make. i think that most emergent forms start off rather rhizomatic and that it takes time for elite classes to retrospectively decide "what's great," codify/striate things, etc. this process obviously speeds up in the ages of mechanical and digital reproduction.

(this is my weird defence of photography, a medium that i know nothing about)


I like this, it's very good but I think it essentially agrees with my point. There has never been enough time for any elite to stratify photography and now there probably never will be. There's too many photographs for a start.
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Re: Photography thread

Postby INNIT » Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:14 pm

i guess that (and i'll let this return to being a thread about pictures after, i promise!) i'm suspect of how much power we willingly forfeit to "elites" when we say that a medium is shit because the sovereign, the bourgeois, the 1%, w/e, haven't spent money to territorialize it, or no longer have that opportunity because the form is too dynamic. the development of photography (again, a medium that i know nothing about) is also coextensive with the development of digital technology, and in the digital age emerging forms are bound to be rhizomatic, and i'm not sure if this is a bad thing. a little structure is always good, mind you, but too much and we end up with 19th century realist novels.
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Re: Photography thread

Postby Sam » Wed May 16, 2018 9:02 am

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Re: Photography thread

Postby radicalbusiness » Wed May 16, 2018 6:59 pm

Shot [my first!] roll of expired color film on my Olympus XA while I was living in Nepal this winter - love how it turned out, except my finger kept slipping into the shot argghh
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Re: Photography thread

Postby tweefwend » Thu May 17, 2018 2:14 am

picked up a Fuji x100s for a good price today

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its wayyy more fun shooting street style stuff with a small camera. The x100's leaf shutter is silent, making it so much easier to work with. Excited to shoot more with it. I've also been really into 6 x 7 crops recently
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Re: Photography thread

Postby ellascottgm » Thu May 17, 2018 2:36 am

Oh! This camera was a good purchase. So beautìul
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Re: Photography thread

Postby 106-2 » Thu May 17, 2018 6:51 am

some stuff from Berlin a couple months back. really been in a rut with my photography but fairly happy with these

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Re: Photography thread

Postby soko » Thu May 24, 2018 10:24 pm

Don’t know anything about photography in any meaningful way, but Interested in seeing if/when photography takes on the purposefully poorly-composed-all-things-in-life-given-equal-weight approach of autofiction in literature a la Shiela Heti or Karl Ove. What’s the photography equivalent of a bad prose stylist? If someone could link me?

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Interested in any kind of photography that doesn’t really do anything, anti-nostalgia, anti-romantic images.
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Re: Photography thread

Postby swampblood » Sun May 27, 2018 3:57 pm

Film from the past couple months, I picked up a used Olympus Trip 35mm that I've been having a ton of fun with.
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Re: Photography thread

Postby Sam » Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:54 pm

Recently got a mamiya 7 and 10 rolls of b&w which im halfway thru atm, nothing super serious and scanned all myself hence why some are so dirty

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Re: Photography thread

Postby kickingthefly » Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:40 am

soko wrote:Don’t know anything about photography in any meaningful way, but Interested in seeing if/when photography takes on the purposefully poorly-composed-all-things-in-life-given-equal-weight approach of autofiction in literature a la Shiela Heti or Karl Ove. What’s the photography equivalent of a bad prose stylist? If someone could link me?

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Interested in any kind of photography that doesn’t really do anything, anti-nostalgia, anti-romantic images.


i dont know anything about photography either and kind of hate it in its current manifestations but wasn't a lot of tillmans' early 2000s stuff like this.
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Re: Photography thread

Postby kickingthefly » Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:53 pm

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