Hangout/podcast: Which V-Neck Cardigan Should I Wear Today

[charybdis]

Bit on the late end, but I made an album of all the things that were mentioned on the podcast. Here's a link but they are all below.

Confession: I had no idea wallabies were called wallabies until now.

Spoiler:

[UnwashedMolasses]

Just a heads up, none of the images in your spoiler show up.

[JCM]

I really liked this. Quite interesting and thought it was thoughtful to have some topics prepared. Wish I could offer something, haha.

[charybdis]

Just a heads up, none of the images in your spoiler show up.

Oh shit. I think I know what happened.

Ugh, I would need to reupload all the images again to generate a list of them w/ linked bb code. Sorry....

[Bobbin.Threadbare]

Based on reactions, do you think it'd be best to have 'themed' short shows weekly (for example)?

1. The internets of fashion
2. The origin of trends
3. Designers, designers, designers
4. The future of retail
5. The gender divide

etc.

And we could all 'sign up' for whichever topic we're into, or would like to discuss. The truth is, everyone has something interesting to say.

[charybdis]

What about one on uniform? Wearing the same thing/similar things. (It would be like the anti-bobbin podcast.)

Also, "nostalgia" might be a good general topic.

[bels]

If you remember the original, you're too old for the comeback.

I'd love to do an episode on Uniforms.

I think fortnightly would be a better time frame.

Other topic ideas (just brainstorming) :

music x clothes
I feel that a lot of internet effay characters are basically trying to buy clothes that are priced, marketed and targetted towards other people. (If you can only get your garmz by copping them second hand from japan then they aren't trying to sell them to you)
waywt pics and how they influence trends (might be weakly suited to pod)

[smiles]

that bit about who brands are marketing towards is interesting

[Bobbin.Threadbare]

Yeah all good ideas!

I like that uniform is 'anti-bobbin'. I've thought about that a lot today and while I want to argue that point I think it's essentially true.

Fortnightly or even monthly might be better, yeah.

[starfox64]

I feel that a lot of internet effay characters are basically trying to buy clothes that are priced, marketed and targetted towards other people. (If you can only get your garmz by copping them second hand from japan then they aren't trying to sell them to you)

fight me

[bels]

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

But it's sort of interesting right? A lot of the stuff we want isn't targetted at us at all. I suppose that's similar for a lot of fashion though. It's not like Tisci was thinking "I'm making these rott tees for the kids out on the street." but the kids on the street wanted them and the highstreet moved in with knockoffs to bridge the gap.

I guess I don't really think that a lot of clothes is targetted at "hobbyists" but here we are saving and hustling to cop some garm that is probably targetting someone in a totally different country / level of affluence / job / whatever.

[starfox64]

i think this line of thought would be better teased out over the podcast but i don't think clothing "hobbyists" like us who mostly buy stuff used or on clearance are any fashion designer's target market

[starfox64]

ycontrol: so ok what about something like margiela
[10:40pm] ycontrol: which doesnt have advertisements
[10:40pm] ycontrol: has like two stores in the usa and a few other stockists
[10:40pm] belabonbon: right
[10:40pm] ycontrol: is that different or the same as visvim?
[10:40pm] belabonbon: i don't think the sims/diffs between them are that important, but I'd say margie isn't trying to sell clothes to you either
[10:40pm] belabonbon: the are targetting someone
[10:40pm] belabonbon: and that person is called regis
[10:41pm] belabonbon: but they're making a product they know you can't afford
[10:41pm] belabonbon: noone is sitting in a room saying "but we need to reach the ycontrols out there"
[10:42pm] ycontrol: yes i think thats fair
[10:42pm] belabonbon: though maybe there is because of h&m etc but shelving that
[10:43pm] belabonbon: this is sort of what i mean
[10:43pm] belabonbon: that maybe you want some gats
[10:43pm] ycontrol: but i think that using visvim or wtaps or any other obscure japanese brand
[10:43pm] belabonbon: but they don't care that you want them
[10:43pm] belabonbon: they aren't making them for you
[10:43pm] ycontrol: is kind of a red herring
[10:43pm] ycontrol: also frankly id say that visvim is more for someone like me
[10:43pm] ycontrol: than raf or dior
[10:43pm] belabonbon: maybe so
[10:43pm] belabonbon: i could agree with you there
[10:44pm] belabonbon: esp w/r/t aesthetic
[10:44pm] ycontrol: we all probably have a buying ethos closer to what japanese midtier designers are looking for
[10:44pm] belabonbon: like you could wear those clothes
[10:44pm] ycontrol: than high end french and italian designers
[10:44pm] belabonbon: mmm that's true
[10:45pm] belabonbon: and the ethos isn't catered for here i guess
[10:45pm] belabonbon: we're in the minority
[10:46pm] belabonbon: maybe copy paste this convo into the thread

[Bobbin.Threadbare]

This is an interesting subject!

Cazal, the German specacle designer/manufacturers found acclaim after they were hyped by RUN DMC and black b-boy culture at the time (mostly the 623 and the 616 models). Their frames were designed, essentially, for rich white people, but ended up being stolen, bought and coveted by hood kids and aspirational pimps.




The B-Boy outfit above apparently sponsored by Cazal and Adidas Gazelles

They're now a permanent fixture in rap culture, and it's weirder to see them on a white dude.

[teck]

good conversation already. save it for the podcast!

I like the themes idea but i have reservations. for us to have a podcast and discuss a certain topic or theme, we'd need to have an 'expert' or at least someone knowledgable. im not even saying someone here has to have a PHD or be Bobbins (a professional), but why should anyone listen to some randoms talking on the internet about something? otherwise it could be a confusing experience, especially for those who don't know who we all are.

we could of course just say 'fuck all that' and just do a podcast meant purely for CTers, but that seems strange to me.

of course im basing this off of existing podcasts and maybe we experiment with formats such that this makes sense.

i would love to continue to do a rotation of guests/hosts, with a segment which is more or less a straight interview, and then a segment in which we bring in the "topic of the fortnight". People on my hit list:

trash
rosenrot
syke
pretty much everyone but those are the top three for now.

[starfox64]

but why should anyone listen to some randoms talking on the internet about something? otherwise it could be a confusing experience, especially for those who don't know who we all are.

we could of course just say 'fuck all that' and just do a podcast meant purely for CTers, but that seems strange to me.

isn't that kind of the point though? these aren't being published on itunes or anything, are they? my understanding was that this was supposed to be a different medium through which to interact with one another. if the standards are that the guests or whoever have to have legitimate expertise, then you're looking at only really talking to 5-6 members of the forum.

[Bobbin.Threadbare]

I agree with starfox, because I think everyone has something interesting to say, which is why you'd only participate in the ones you're interested in. I wouldn't be any good at talking about anything to do with sportswear, but someone else on here would.

From the discussions on here so far, everyone that contributes is a few tiers above 'the man on the street' in terms of fashion knowledge.

[teck]

i dont mean for people to have legitimate expertise, but im trying to imagine how it would be listening to someone who has no background (since it's just an anonymous user on the internet)

i dont think we're publishing, but i think its good to have an assumption that the listener isn't steeped in CT, and doesn't know who we all are. even i can't keep track of people on here, and this forum is prob gonna get big(ger) soon.

[bels]

See I feel like if the listener isn't a CTer you definitely want to steer clear of doing interviews with CTers and more general conversation, even if non expert, would be more interesting (to the uninitiated)

I think you're selling us short to an extent Teck, if the topic is correctly chosen then we basically are experts and I think we should stick to topics like that. Who knows more about, say the difference between SF and SUFU? Or which webstore has the best layout? Or Disby's unchanging haircut?

[teck]

hm you're right about that. i'd like to see the podcast be "outsider friendly" (to an extent) because i think its a good organizing principle for podcasts in general, and because i want to be famous.

i think then if there's some kind of organizing framework, then the show will make sense. you're right about experts. my bad to say we need to be "experts", i think we just need to couch the discussion in the right way.

[bels]

I agree that the pod should be as outsider friendly as possible because I also want to be famous (and deep down, I feel I deserve to be.)

We could also try wearing women's slacks?

[starfox64]

i don't think it should be a bunch of insider jokes either, and i don't think that every member has something interesting to say on every topic (i don't really have anything to say about socks and sandals, for instance), but i think it'd be nice to hear everyone's voice and get to know them a little, and i think as a group of at least semi-intelligent people we can figure out a way to balance that while still having an interesting discussion.

i mentioned this before but i am also open to not everything being 100% dedicated to fashion though. teck is right to an extent that listening to four people who are clueless speculate about why certain things happen in fashion would be a disaster, so let's figure out a balance. you could talk to soundclip about his art and trees, for example. or bela about his writing.

[bels]

We could talk to you about how to size nonnative cardigans

[teck]

Cool. I feel a podcast coming on.

What do people want the next episode theme to be? Uniforms? I like the "internet of fashion" but maybe that's a bit too meta too early? I like the "brands and marketing" bit from above about how a brand forms a target and how targets and non-targets react to a brand.

Who would like to be on the "panel"?

[bels]

Me and Sfox just duking it out w/blow by blow commentary by teck. (Practice saying "ooooooooooooh SNAP" etc)

[Bobbin.Threadbare]

set up a document somewhere where everyone can write ideas down. Anyone can then 'sign up' to the thing by putting their name down next to whichever they think they could contribute to. Once a topic has 3 people signed up it's ready to be recorded.

[rjbman]

I think uniforms is a great idea.

W/r/t production and distribution and targeting, currently I've only got it on soundcloud. I might look into getting it on iTunes though, which would mean we wouldn't JUST be targeting caretags people, though it certainly would be the majority of people. It doesn't seem to be that difficult of a procedure.

Teck, I'm assuming you're planning to host again? Will Unwashed be the other host, or did we want to mix it up perhaps? I agree wholeheartedly with the list of people you'd like to get on there, and perhaps a few additions as well.

[teck]

i'll get a doc going and post it.

i'd love to host again if thats ok but im happy to step back from the mic if others wish to host. i'd just like to be involved in some producer type way if i dont host. RJ can we look to you for engineering/production again?

[teck]

Doc:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... sp=sharing

[Bobbin.Threadbare]

Can't edit that doc -- you need to make it open to public editing. Also, 3 is a good number for a discussion but if you're going to host all of them teck and unwashed, you'll only need 1 person per show (imho). 3 guests plus 2 hosts = 5 people with around 4 mins worth of input on a 20 min session (too many).