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Postby kayeight » Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:48 am

Aw yeah, skincare thread.

Anyone have advice for how to make hyper-pigmentation scars fade faster? I hear suggestions for vitamin E thrown around a lot but what does that mean - is there a lotion or something I can buy?

I'm a compulsive skin picker so it's hard not to get super depressed about skincare, but I've been getting better lately and I really want the dark spots to go away.
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Re: the constant canvas: skincare!

Postby JewTurk » Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:54 am

7737 wrote:Have you tried chemical exfoliation? Try something like Amlactin (12% AHA, lactic acid) or Neostrata (10-15% AHA, glycolic acid. Regardless of what you use, a lotion or toner is going to be more effective than a cleanser, since the active ingredients will remain on your skin longer instead of just being rinsed off.


I believe someone else suggest Amlactin, I'll stop by the store and grab some and see how it goes after 2-3 weeks. Hoping for the best.
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Re: the constant canvas: skincare!

Postby oldtrailmix » Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:56 am

an AHA is your friend, @kayeight.

http://www.reddit.com/r/SkincareAddicti ... nd_how_to/

i use paula's choice 8% gylocolic, as it's easy to apply and doesn't irritate my skin. you basically put it on after cleansing, leave it for around 20-25 minutes, and moisturize.

here's another great thread where they rec based on skintype.

http://www.reddit.com/r/SkincareAddicti ... ct_thread/
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Re: the constant canvas: skincare!

Postby 7737 » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:29 am

kayeight wrote:Aw yeah, skincare thread.

Anyone have advice for how to make hyper-pigmentation scars fade faster? I hear suggestions for vitamin E thrown around a lot but what does that mean - is there a lotion or something I can buy?

I'm a compulsive skin picker so it's hard not to get super depressed about skincare, but I've been getting better lately and I really want the dark spots to go away.


You can exfoliate (physical or chemical) or promote faster cell turnover rates (retinol). Choose a single media, see what happens after a few weeks, and change/adjust as necessary.

Chemical exfoliation can be done with peels, toners, moisturizers, or whatever you can apply to your skin. I'm not a huge fan of using cleansers as chemical exfoliators because you need more than 15 seconds at a 2% concentration for the product to be effective. Stick to AHAs (glycolic, lactic) rather than BHA (salicylic) for fading.

MUAC make a decent variety of peels that are relatively easy to use. Most are pretty safe as long as you stick to the lowest concentration offered and tread carefully on your first use - just avoid TCA because that shit's serious business. Mandelic is great to start out with, since it's a little less irritating. You can spot-treat with weaker peels.

Other common media: Alpha Hydrox makes a line of AHA toners/serums/moisturizers that are pretty popular and fairly affordable. I've personally been using Reviva's 10% glycolic and prefer it to Alpha Hydrox's line because the formulation is friendlier to my skin type (hyper-clog-prone, sensitivity to coconut derivatives) and the ingredients list is shorter, but that's mostly personal preference. They also make a 5% cream, which is great for beginners or those with sensitive skin. You can also get a variety of products from Garden of Wisdom. All of these things I'm linking are a little off the beaten path, and that's because a) I'm a cheapass and the high-end cosmetics equivalents are unspeakably expensive (look up Revive skincare's Renewal Cream, it's literally just 5% glycolic for $200 a tub) and b) they're stronger than what you can get at typical retail stores. There are great products to be found in department stores and Sephoras, though - an example is Dr Dennis Gross's Alpha Beta Peel, which combines AHA, BHA, and retinol.

As far as retinol goes, it's best applied as a night cream because it increases sun sensitivity significantly. Neutrogena Anti-Wrinkle Cream is readily available and well-loved, Avene Eluage and Ystheal are also great, though slightly more expensive. They're cheapest at Echemist, which offers free shipping and a VAT deduction to those outside the EU.

And regardless of what treatments you're using, slather on shiiiiittttonnnns of sunscreen. Most people who think they're using enough are mistaken. Kudos if you actually are - and you can ramp it up by layering physical and chemical blockers for quicker fading.

I forgot to mention vitamin C, which also helps fade spots. tl;dr serums from Garden of Wisdom or Nufountain or something. Don't pay much more than $20 an oz. Degrade quickly with exposure to air and light.
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Re: the constant canvas: skincare!

Postby kayeight » Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:00 am

Wow, thanks for all the recs! I currently use a BHA chemical exfoliator because I'm acne-prone but it stupidly never occurred to me to exfoliate my neck (where I have the most spots).

I'll have to try a peel sometime. I already use a Shiseido SPF 45 sunscreen every day so at least I've got that covered.
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Re: the constant canvas: skincare!

Postby JewTurk » Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:44 am

@sparkyoriental and @7737

My arms are completely clear right now, thank you so much for the amlaction suggestion! Seriously in love with my arms right now, they were so bad the past year.
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Re: the constant canvas: skincare!

Postby chilljin » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:06 pm

would like to take a moment to recommend rosehip oil to anybody suffering from spot scars on their face

damn. i only started moisturising/cleansing this year, and this past month i have started mixing a bit of rosehip into my moisturiser - it's honestly worked wonders for my skin
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Re: the constant canvas: skincare!

Postby oldtrailmix » Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:08 pm

two weeks of using paula's choice 8% glycolic every other day along w sunscreen. obviously it's helped a lot (especially in this photo), but im conflicted as i've been getting more new pimples than before while using it. it's sort of slowed down now, but i also have red bumps on my temples which im pretty sure is a sign of irritation.


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i'm going to use it every third day i think, through the end of july, and see how that helps. if anything majorly bad pops up i'll probably just stop.
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Re: the constant canvas: skincare!

Postby smiles » Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:05 am

My skin is always so oily. Obviously worse because of the humidity but even when its winter it stays quite oily. Should I try using some kind of oil?

Think I've mostly grown out of my acne but occasionally still break out (which is always depressing). Should I avoid oil stuff in that case?
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Re: the constant canvas: skincare!

Postby 7737 » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:12 am

@smiles are you moisturizing at the moment? What's the current state of the other parts of your skin (assuming your T zone is the major offender here) - is it showing signs of dehydration? What are you using to cleanse, and are you currently using any actives (AHA/BHA/retinol)?
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Re: the constant canvas: skincare!

Postby smiles » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:25 am

@7737 I'm using entirely Aesop products at the moment so I don't think there are active chemicals (?) For moisturizer I'm using an oil free serum (applied morning and evening). Cleansing also morning and night with something called amazing face cleanser. I would usually apply a toner after cleansing but I've almost run out. I also occasionally use a mild exfoliating cleanser. In terms of pimples it's usually around my mouth and cheekbones. The oily part concentrates on my tzone though. Aside from the oily feeling, my skin doesn't feel dry. It feels like the moisturizer isn't absorbing into my skin and just sits there making it oily.
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Re: the constant canvas: skincare!

Postby bels » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:52 am

Does aesop do a "lighter" moisturiser? Could try that. Sounds like a wack moisturiser.

Also just don't add as much moisturiser to your oily t zone
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Re: the constant canvas: skincare!

Postby 7737 » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:21 am

Gotcha. I don't THINK your cleanser is overstripping your skin, but it might help to change around your moisturizer a little because it sounds like it's just sitting on your skin and not doing its job. You don't necessarily need to use a moisturizer that contains oil, but it should feel like it's absorbing and ideally won't leave a sticky or greasy film. If that isn't helping, I'd recommend getting something a little heavier for nighttime to reduce the likelihood of stripping and dehydration and use something lighter for day.

My general rec for people with acne-prone skin who don't want to use actives is La Roche Posay Toleriane Fluide for day, but that's just because it's fairly benign and you don't need to go hunting it down if its not easy to find. I haven't found something that fills the same niche for nighttime use, but Neutrogena Healthy Skin + 1-2 drops of oil (or none...) isn't bad and covers most grounds. What you want to look for is something relatively simple that doesn't advertise anything other than hydration. Avoid anything with silicone (anything that ends in -cone) listed in the first few lines of the ingredients, because that's just not a helpful moisturizing thing. Get a couple samples if you don't know what makes you break out.

There are also some sunscreens out there that can help control oil (kind of like flood gates...), and sunscreen is a good thing to wear anyway. If that's something you want to try, you'll probably want to use an oil- or cream-based cleanser to remove. You can probably skip daytime moisturizer if you're using sunscreen.

Last thing, make sure you're drinking enough water.
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Re: the constant canvas: skincare!

Postby jrisk » Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:06 pm

I finished my 6 months treastment of isotretinoin and the results have been baller. I haven't had a breakout since month 3. My experience with it was relatively manageable. I timed it pretty well — having dry skin in the winter would have been brutal. As long as I moisturized daily I was fine. it's only been a week since I finished and I can't wait to not need chapstick anymore (I went through three complete tubes of burts bees and two things of aquaphor). Love being acne-free.
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Re: the constant canvas: skincare!

Postby insect » Fri Sep 26, 2014 5:41 pm

Did 2 treatments of accutane 6 months each with no lasting improvement. During my first treatment I went on a 6 hour bike ride with friends in the summer heat with no sunscreen or water which wasn't a good idea. Started exfoliating, eating better, and started some antibiotics and I guess my skin can be considered pretty mild now. I'd still consider it horrible compared to an average young adult though. Might try to do another round of accutane for 6 months to see if I can finally be clear.
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Re: the constant canvas: skincare!

Postby blankinput » Fri Sep 26, 2014 11:18 pm

insect wrote:Did 2 treatments of accutane 6 months each with no lasting improvement. During my first treatment I went on a 6 hour bike ride with friends in the summer heat with no sunscreen or water which wasn't a good idea. Started exfoliating, eating better, and started some antibiotics and I guess my skin can be considered pretty mild now. I'd still consider it horrible compared to an average young adult though. Might try to do another round of accutane for 6 months to see if I can finally be clear.


It's worth going super strict on the diet for a bit to see if there's a connection, or maybe try and figure out if it's stress related. I'd be hesitant about going with a third round of that toxic shit, at least before exhausting all other options, which is really only when Accutane is medically recommended to come into play.
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Re: the constant canvas: skincare!

Postby insect » Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:00 am

Most likely stress related because I'm in an intensive program at school. I've tried everything else really including strict diets. The side effects of accutane are annoying when I'm on it but have made no long term difference from what I've experienced. But who knows, it may have made my acne worse.
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Re: the constant canvas: skincare!

Postby nick » Thu Oct 16, 2014 10:19 am

yo I'm not an expert at this stuff but I was sick of my face feeling grimy all the time for some reason - even though I was showering. at work I'd constantly splash my face with water to no avail.

I checked the reddit FAQ and bought recommended cleanser and moisturizer and holy shit - the difference is immense. of course in a matter of two days my face hasn't completely cleared up but its crazy how much better it looks + how much better I feel. super noticeable blemishes may be embarassing as a teen but as an adult they just feel straight up out of place. through my teenage years I always tried those physical exfoliators, tons of face washes etc -

but turns out the key is moisturizing

moisturize
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Re: the constant canvas: skincare!

Postby Stingray Sam » Thu Oct 16, 2014 12:17 pm

i was prescribed accutane, but thankfully because of my depression i decided not take it. Now I am on antibiotics, epiduo and duac. I wash my face with Cerave after my shower and before I sleep and use a cerave AM moisturizer in the mornings as well. My face feels great and my acne has gone away. If i didn't stop taking care of my skin while i was recovering from my wisdom teeth extraction I would probably be close to acne free. I also find that keeping myself clean shaven makes my face feel significantly cleaner and reduces my outbreaks. Definitely talk to a dermatologist if you are able to.
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Re: the constant canvas: skincare!

Postby nick » Thu Oct 16, 2014 1:55 pm

@rjbman just used what Stingray Sam described above - the Cerave foaming cleanser and moisturizer (in a tub) Check CVS/Walgreens/Whatever they have in your side of the woods.

The "routine" I follow is now

AM: splash face w/ water and moisturize
PM: clean face with cleanser and moisturize
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Re: the constant canvas: skincare!

Postby Stingray Sam » Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:18 pm

FYI I use the cerave cleansing lotion in the pump bottle. It's similar to cetaphil, but I feel like it does a bit better job of cleaning.
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Re: the constant canvas: skincare!

Postby chadnik » Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:56 pm

my skin is the best it's been in years, due to a change in how I approach skincare. I realized that I was probably making my skin/acne worse by attempting to "fight" things with the most intense stuff I could find (10% salicylic acid twice a day, gritty scrubs, etc.), likely actually causing more irritation/acne by stripping my acid mantle. now my mantra is "do no harm." I cannot sing the praises enough of AHA—I don't know what took me so long to try it, except that "chemical exfoliation" sounds scary. I think it, along with cutting out those overly harsh products and those with fatty alcohols (a common skincare ingredient that causes acne in some people), has been responsible for the most improvement. everyone's skin is different, etc. etc. but I figured I'd share my approach since I have been fighting with my skin for so long (Accutane did me no good) instead of being as gentle as possible to it.

routine that is working for me now:
Spoiler:
morning:
- dab on Thayer's Witch Hazel with Rose with a cotton round
- vitamin C serum, to fade PIH (acne scars) (using Paula's Choice right now, but just ordered a sample of GoW since I think the vitamin E in it is causing a bit of congestion)
- wait 15 minutes, then apply sunscreen (CoTZ Sensitive, which is physical (zinc oxide))
- NARS Pure Radiant tinted moisturizer and powder

night:
- vitamin C again
- wait 15 min, then an AHA (Alpha Hydrox lotion for dry skin)
- wait 30 min, then EltaMD PM Therapy moisturizer
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Re: the constant canvas: skincare!

Postby camping jazz » Sun Oct 26, 2014 9:51 pm

i took accutane in high school and it cleared up my bad cystic acne. unfortunately it also permanently dried out my skin/hair, which used to be really oily. now my hair feels like straw when i wash it (i've tried a lot of different shampoos ;~;) but at least i barely get acne anymore.
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Re: the constant canvas: skincare!

Postby schiaparelli » Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:04 am

i just ordered a bunch of sheet masks
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this is new uncharted skincare territory
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Re: the constant canvas: skincare!

Postby schiaparelli » Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:07 am

my sheet masks arrived! and other things.

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this thread is about a year old and my approach/attitude/interest/enthusiasm in skincare has changed substantially. i've been dipping my toes into asian beauty products (see picture). there's a ton to experiment with and it's relatively inexpensive (except for the shipping costs ; n ;) and a lot of the products have really lovely fragrances. the panda-shaped thing in the photo, for example, is an brightening eye base (for undereye circles; technically it's more makeup than skincare) and it smells exactly like taro bubble tea to me. taro bubble tea. i spent 5min today sniffing it. and the brown pump bottle is a cleansing oil that smells sugary and pleasantly decadent (it's also an effective cleanser too).

anyone else an asian skincare fan? or experimenting too? tell me about it~
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Re: the constant canvas: skincare!

Postby oneseriouslady » Tue Feb 03, 2015 2:18 am

schiaparelli, i love sheet masks! they're so soothing, it's a great way to relax at the end of a day. also, i love how ridiculous people look with one on.

my skincare/make up routine is pretty simple, but the one thing that i'm obsessive about is sunscreen. i feel so paranoid and stressed if i don't wear sunscreen. i used to wear the neutrogena ultra sheer one which was pretty good, but for the past few months i've been using a japanese one called skin aqua sunscreen lotion moisture milk whitening spf 50 which i love. it feels more like i'm applying a lotion/moisturizer to my face than sunscreen because it's not sticky and it sits on the skin really well.

also, i like cheap jojoba oil from trader joe's as a moisturizer.
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Re: the constant canvas: skincare!

Postby jrisk » Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:45 am

I've always wondered and thought about trying jojoba oil as a moisturizer. Do you mix it with moisturizer? or just alone? how much? does it leave your face greasy?
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Re: the constant canvas: skincare!

Postby schiaparelli » Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:56 pm

i've actually been meaning to try a moisturizing oil—a lot of my friends have gotten me super interested in them, and i'm not terribly happy with the lotions i'm currently using. am thinking of jojoba (frequently recommended) or rosehip oil (mostly bc i hope to actually smell roselike).

i realized i've been really afraid of trying oils and super thick/creamy products, because ever since puberty hit i've always felt my skin was overly oily. but switching to using cleansers that haven't been over-stripping my skin (and making it over-produce oils) has helped a ton.



also—@heckawheel asked me on IRC what the big deal with asian skincare is and why people keep on talking about it, so i figured it'd be worth typing up a little intro. fwiw i'm generically referring to "asian" skincare, but i think most of what i'm discussing is a south korean culture/practice around skincare that's strongly influenced other asian consumers/skin & cosmetics companies as well.

what makes asian skincare different:
  • asian beauty consumers are extremely invested in skincare—they tend to spend more $$$ on skincare instead of cosmetics, and they're often more knowledgeable about the active ingredients used.
  • lots of odd/weird ingredients, e.g. bee venom, snail secretions
  • r&d labs for beauty companies test lots of weird/novel ingredients, and because of less restrictive regulations on getting products to market (the korean FDA is also quite supportive of the beauty industry), cutting-edge products make it to the market years faster than for many western companies
  • there are very high-quality products available at lower price-points (prestige-quality products at drugstore prices) partly because the market is so competitive and consumers so picky
core tenets of asian skincare:
  • using sunscreen like your life depends on it, because your aging skin certainly does—there are lots of asian sunscreens that are more effective at blocking UV rays
  • layering tons of products, and having multiple products (from 4–12) to accomplish a variety of tasks. there's a very specific order of products for the full asian skincare routine.
  • a horror of dark/tan skin (i'm just being real here, i don't agree with it though—many asian women take extreme measures to avoid tanning and it's generally seen as less beautiful)
for more in-depth information, refer to: fast company's article "inside the booming korean skincare market" for information about the commercial side of it. for practical information: skin & tonic's "asian skin care guide" describes the entire routine, some example products, places to buy, and notable blogs. i also think that the /r/asianbeauty community's "asian skincare 101" guide is great, and also lists some popular ingredients and what they do.

tbh i've read so many articles and there are slightly different 10-step (or 12-step) routines described in each, so i sort of abide by an extremely rough sort: cleansing steps first, then chemical actives, then everything else layered from thinnest (watery/lightweight stuff) to thickest (heavy-duty creams), and ask a lot of bothersome questions on various skincare forums to make sure i'm doing it right. there's a guide from the blog snow white & the asian pear on "putting products in order" and it describes some of the intuition for how everything is supposed to be layered.

anyways, i'm mostly in it for the attractive packaging, delicious-smelling products, and glowy skin.
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Re: the constant canvas: skincare!

Postby schiaparelli » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:06 pm

i feel bad for posting so much text + i know there are lots of aesop fans in here, so have some pictures of the aesop shop in melbourne. lighting by .PSLAB, the wood is australian spotted gum. the decor gives it a very serene, luxe-apothecary feel.

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Re: the constant canvas: skincare!

Postby sparkyoriental » Thu Feb 26, 2015 2:31 pm

Dipping my toes into the Asian skincare world with my first Shiseido sunscreen! :woop: I've got some acne scars and visible pores on my nose that I'd like to work on, and I'd like to eventually reduce or stop using foundation on a daily basis. I placed a ~beauty~ order on Amazon today, will receive the following:

-Shiseido Senka Aging Care UV Sunscreen SPF50+ PA++++ (supposed to be good for dry skin)
-Andalou Naturals Tumeric Plus C Enlighten Serum (uses MAP, a more stable form of vitamin C)
-CeraVe Moisturizing Facial Lotion PM (a great lightweight lotion with niacinamide)
-My first pair of hair straighteners, ever! Excited to do fancy things like waves with my hair!

I'll update in a couple weeks with reviews.

My current skincare routine:

AM:
Lush Tea Tree Water
I have no idea if this actually does anything. I think I've noticed a correlation between fewer pimples and this product? It's basically tea tree water that you spray on your face. I like it because it's refreshing and fun.

Neutrogena Dry Touch sunscreen spf 45
It's alright, I've been using it for a decade at this point. I'm sure there's better stuff out there but this is an acceptable nexus of cheap, convenient, and okay so I haven't ventured elsewhere (yet!).

PM:
wash face with CeraVe Hydrating Cleanser and Clarisonic
I have very dry skin and this cleanser doesn't dry it out further. The Clarisonic is great for removing makeup and sunscreen - highly recommend! It's a bit pricy (~100 dollars) and you could probably get similar results with a cheaper face brush, but I've noticed the sebaceous filaments on my nose look better since I've started using the Clarisonic.

Alternate between Alpha Hydrox 12% and Retin-A 1%
I've been using these products since middle school. Both exfoliate and leave my skin nice and soft. They used to be enough to keep my skin looking glowy and clear, but I've noticed that in the past 6 months my skin has been dull, flakey, and dry.

CeraVe lotion
Lightweight lotion, nothing really to say about it other than it's adequate.
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