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Postby momjeans » Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:18 pm

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Re: (capital) A – R – T

Postby rublev » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:21 pm

went to these recently

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laura aldridge

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raoul de keyser

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liz larner

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jane bustin (not my photos tho 'cos my iphone ran out of battery by the time i got to the gallery)
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Re: (capital) A – R – T

Postby rublev » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:27 pm

also this just opened so need to go asap !!!

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Re: (capital) A – R – T

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Re: (capital) A – R – T

Postby AmericanPie » Thu Apr 23, 2015 11:50 am

Had my final review Tuesday night, thought I'd share what I showed here. I think I passed college. I haven't shot proper, well-lit documentation photos yet. I promise I'll post about someone else's work soon.

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Re: (capital) A – R – T

Postby rublev » Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:44 am

this weekend in glasgow sees the open house art festival, something which started a couple of years ago by gsa graduates.

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there are about 80 artists involved - you can see them all here
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Re: (capital) A – R – T

Postby rublev » Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:04 am

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*sips coffee, looks over glasses and shuffles paper*

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Re: (capital) A – R – T

Postby bels » Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:15 am

how many people are there in the world who have managed to transform the education required to fully understand contemporary art into a career which pays enough for them to purchase contemporary art?
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Re: (capital) A – R – T

Postby oucho » Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:05 am

If you are interested in the 'art world' at all you should watch F for Fake, it's directed by and features Orson Welles, it's basically about Elmyr de Hory. The whole film is basically about fakery in art, it has lots of clever cuts and quips that play around the theme as well some really interesting interviews with Elmyr and Clifford Irving and an interesting insight into high society.
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Re: (capital) A – R – T

Postby bels » Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:25 pm

Feel unconvinced by the talk that you don't need an art education to understand contemporary art. I'm not saying you can't enjoy it without an education or you can't have an opinion without an education but if I go to the museum and look at (random example of the first thing I found on the Ikon gallery page)

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Ryan Gander, Please be patient - Jonathan Watkins sitting in the Deutsche Bank VIP lounge at Frieze Art Fair London, 2007, talking candidly about his disdain for the British weather (2015) Circular toughened glass disk, acrylic 45cm in diameter © Ryan Gander. Courtesy the artist.

Then I haven't a clue what's going on. Who is Jonathan Watkins? What's Frieze Art Fair London? Why is a circular toughened glass disk with acrylic on it in an art gallery? I certainly couldn't pick it out from a line up of circular toughened glass with acrylic paint on it.

I think it's fine to have this reaction and I quite enjoy it (It's why I like contemporary art) but there must be a bunch of stuff behind why this abstract work has been put in the gallery instead of all the other millions of abstract works and I couldn't begin to tell you why. All I can tell you is if I like it, how it makes me feel and maybe take a stab at how it was made.

There was some chapman broz thing at the Fitzwilliam recently that needed some knowledge of Goya that I absolutely lacked other than knowing "He was emo" I liked the stuff but who cares if I liked something??? If the artist is working on some level higher than "Will randos like this" (which they surely will be if they went to art school, it might even be impossible for them not to) then there must be something happening in the work beyond "Do you like this" and without an equivalent education, how will you ever be able to even scrape at what that is?

Older stuff too, if I go round with someone who has some art education my experienced is improved like a billion times because there's a tonne of things to talk about.

I love art, I think it's important, I'm fine with people going to art school or not or making money of stuff that only appeals to some people. I don't have a problem with any of art, but I think that to understand a lot of it you need a specialised education, even if that specialised education just consists of looking at a lot of art.
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Re: (capital) A – R – T

Postby momjeans » Fri May 01, 2015 4:45 am

@bela
i think that having some type of education on art can improve the enjoyment and sense of fulfillment one gets looking at art, but i dont think that it is necessary.
to me, it seem analogous to the ways that an understanding of some literary theories can improve ones engagement with a text, but obviously a huge amount of writing is read/enjoyed/understood by people who don't have an education of that at all.
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Re: (capital) A – R – T

Postby bels » Fri May 01, 2015 5:57 am

I would say that the education required to understand a modern book was taught to me in GCSE english though yes, there are further levels to some books that would require more knowledge.

I don't think I can "read" most contemporary art to the same level I can "read" cont flaxy though and I'm self taught on both of them.
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Re: (capital) A – R – T

Postby rublev » Fri May 01, 2015 5:47 pm

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Re: (capital) A – R – T

Postby germinal » Fri May 01, 2015 6:07 pm

I went to some art galleries with iliam and i decided i don't like art
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Re: (capital) A – R – T

Postby zayg » Fri May 01, 2015 6:34 pm

adding to the discussion on galleries, i like this piece

had to write a paper for my philosophy of art class the other day and i cited this quite a bit

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9ZhTb ... sp=sharing
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Re: (capital) A – R – T

Postby station » Sun May 03, 2015 11:55 am

I think that at face value, art galleries as palaces and banks makes sense. For the majority of people I think there is little difference between browsing a gallery and browsing a museum/palace since they lack the ability to purchase any of the pieces, and if you’re just strolling through either they’re both similarly pleasing. On the other hand, the social elite can purchase paintings, and many have collections larger that are too large to be continuously displayed. In this case, I think that art can become more of a business, since it is a pretty liquefiable asset, but I’m pretty unknowledgeable about this. I do remember seeing this in “Who the *$&% is Jackson Pollack” though.

Also, I think some level of art knowledge is required to “understand pieces” from any period beyond face value, not just contemporary pieces. I think that people’s general dislike for many contemporary pieces is just because the pieces have been abstracted so there is less that you can appreciate from face value, like Bela’s example. For example, everyone can agree that the mona lisa is a very pretty painting, but there are a lot of other very pretty paintings from the high renaissance. So why is the Mona Lisa so famous? I think without some knowledge on the era, it’d be hard to articulate this and in that case I don’t think you really “understand” the piece and its relevance. Of course, I don’t think this is necessary to view art. When I go to a gallery, I usually know nothing about the artists I’m viewing, but I still enjoy a lot of the pieces because at face value, I think they’re interesting. At galleries it’s nice because whoever is working there will generally be happy to explain pieces to you, which helps you understand the context and construction of the piece, which in turn helps you appreciate it a lot more.

On a side note, I’m taking American Art History from 1958-1985 in the fall, so hopefully I’ll be more knowledgeable about this topic soon!
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Re: (capital) A – R – T

Postby Iliam » Wed May 06, 2015 10:23 am

bela wrote:Feel unconvinced by the talk that you don't need an art education to understand contemporary art.

@bela

The answer to the question "what does it means to 'understand' an artwork" depends on who is doing the answering; there are about as many responses as there are (something that there is a lot of ? grains of sand on the beach ?). In all discussion about art, but especially in contemporary art, the answer can also be strongly flavored by the need to sell. The more a flaccid intellectual justification or avant-garde narrative can be made about/ applied to a work, the more excited people can become about buying as a potential investment. But what is interesting and valuable about art is not about applying an inherited historical scheme to a given artwork but asking what the work says about being human. To that end the most important part of 'understanding' an artwork is locating within urself the feeling(s) it provokes, whether that's anger, rage, embarrassment or joy. Without any sense of emotional connection between the work and the viewer, the art is meaningless, even if it is in the Ikon gallery. Of course, the more you know about art, the more that you've read about its history and so on, the more depth you can bring to your experience of each new artwork. But to find something moving or terrifying or seductive or for it to provide access to some aspect of life you weren't aware of before you certainly don't need a specialized art education.



(the below is not necessarily the best example of what i'm talking about ~ just thought it was interesting)
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Eric van Hove, Exonymie (reconstructed 1971 library) - 2010
2000 borrowed books (Katholieke Universiteit Leuven / KUL + Université catholique de Louvain / UCL) & MDF custom made bookcase

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Exonymie is an installation reflecting on the 2007–2011 Belgian political crisis. It is composed of 1000 books borrowed from the Katholieke Universiteit Leuven (KUL) and 1000 books borrowed from the Université Catholique de Louvain (UCL). As such, it is a recomposing of an original book shelve (section 2A) which disappeared 40 years ago during the "splitting" of the library of the University of Leuven, following on the franco-dutch linguistic separatist movement in Belgium in 1971.

In effect, in an incredible turn of event, this nearly two million books strong library was then split up "equitably" with even numbered books going to the French-speaking UCL and odd numbered books going to the Dutch-speaking KUL. Since the original library was destroyed twice during the first and second world war, most books are in English or German language for it is composed of American donations, and German war tributes.
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Re: (capital) A – R – T

Postby momjeans » Sat May 09, 2015 3:43 pm

On Kawara's One Million Years

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sianne ngai has some really interesting things to say about it (taken from her book ugly feelings, which i highly recommend):

[One Million Years] comprises a series of ten black, official-looking ledgers, each containing 2,000 pages list- ing 500 years per page, from 998031 b.c. to 1969 a.d.46 The sublimity of such a vast amount of time is trumped by its organization into bureaucratic blandness; our comprehension of a million years is rendered manageable, if also tedious, when consolidated in a set of ring binders bearing some resemblance to a completed report by the Senate Finance Committee. Yet this tedium turns back into astonishment when we come to realize the amount of time and labor it has taken (two years’ worth) to make such a severely minimal product. Dedicated to “All those who have lived and died,” this piece records not so much a completed “history,” though it certainly speaks to the fantasy of or desire for this, but the time spent in the attempt to organize one even in the most stark and reductive way.
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Re: (capital) A – R – T

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Re: (capital) A – R – T

Postby bels » Thu May 28, 2015 3:51 am

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Is there any good #art #culture events in that London this Saturday?
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Re: (capital) A – R – T

Postby mu_ » Thu May 28, 2015 11:24 pm

tfw art gallery down the street

http://www.ffdg.net/

I've met Ryan before at a different thing so I'm looking forward to this
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Re: (capital) A – R – T

Postby deadkitty » Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:34 pm

I just saw this great exhibition of William Pope L.'s stuff at the MOCA Geffen Contemporary. There was a room (titled "Blind") which had a picture that you could walk up to. From far away it looked one way. From up close it is a hole in the wall. An access to another space that can't be entered. The picture was not the work. The two rooms were. The picture was just a framed hole in the wall. A gentle breeze comes out of the hole as if suggesting breath or even communication. The picture is trying to say something but can only do it in the one way it knows how: darkness.

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there were also a lot of tables of onions

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la people check this out it's only on for a couple more weeks (also it's free today. happy flag day)
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Re: (capital) A – R – T

Postby sbuers » Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:41 am

Super interesting piece. Was lucky enough to see this when it was exhibited.

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Re: (capital) A – R – T

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Re: Art

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Re: Art

Postby pirxthepilot » Sat Oct 24, 2015 11:03 am

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Re: Art

Postby can- » Sat Oct 24, 2015 10:09 pm

what the fuck is going on
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Re: Art

Postby pirxthepilot » Sun Oct 25, 2015 1:31 pm

i wanted to show some amazing images of sculptures an artist i'm working with has produced- she was ok with it but turns out my contract specifically forbids such usage. so, you'll just have to imagine. picture mutant cyborg-hr giger sex squids that would tentacle you to an orgasmic death
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Re: Art

Postby Dingdongfootball » Fri Oct 30, 2015 2:22 pm

http://www.twitch.tv/bobross

Twitch is streaming every episode of The Joy of Painting over the next few days as a promotion for some new feature they've got or something. The reason they're doing it is beside the point; this show is actually so nice and calming and entertaining to watch. Bob Ross seems like the kindest, most gentle person on the planet and his paintings are so beautiful and peaceful. I find myself almost unable to close the tab in my browser because I just want to see what he will paint next. I could honestly watch him all day, even if just in the background.

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Re: Art

Postby longjumps » Tue Dec 08, 2015 10:13 am

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José Antonio Hernández Díez, Kafka, 2002 (x-post to trainers thread)
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