News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bombs)

Off topic

Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby ramseames » Fri Sep 09, 2016 5:37 pm

https://www.ft.com/content/4a8750f4-74e ... 4532d5ea35

Snowden has lunch with the ft

worth checking back on monday for the full transcript as it mentions at the bottom, but what they gave us so far is very good, I think.
  • 2

User avatar
ramseames
 
Posts: 2235
Joined: Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:14 pm
Location: vancouver
Reputation: 6687

Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby ramseames » Wed Sep 14, 2016 6:05 pm

http://nypost.com/2016/09/14/colin-powe ... l-clinton/
Colin Powell wrote in a stunning email that he doesn’t want “to vote for her” — an apparent reference to Hillary Clinton — in part because her husband is “still dicking bimbos at home,” according to the hacker website DCLeaks.


Can't make this shit up lol
  • 3

User avatar
ramseames
 
Posts: 2235
Joined: Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:14 pm
Location: vancouver
Reputation: 6687

Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby rublev » Wed Sep 14, 2016 6:59 pm

Image

some of the emails between him and duberstein (reagan’s former chief of staff), dropping the big FP names
  • 0

User avatar
rublev
Political Editor
 
Posts: 989
Joined: Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:57 pm
Reputation: 4232

Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby ramseames » Sat Sep 24, 2016 1:38 pm

https://www.ft.com/content/feaf0968-824 ... 7d9515ad15

from the comments:

As a Tory supporter I am delighted at the result. Jeremy Corbyn is the best possible choice for the Labour Party as leader.


rough times for the uk
  • 0

User avatar
ramseames
 
Posts: 2235
Joined: Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:14 pm
Location: vancouver
Reputation: 6687

Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby maj » Sat Sep 24, 2016 1:45 pm

Corbyn is good, tories love a good media assassination
  • 3

Major General John "Hacks" Dunning (Viscount Windsor) aka peak angry nerd
User avatar
maj
 
Posts: 1456
Joined: Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:44 pm
Location: the lower north (woo)
Reputation: 8934

Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby ramseames » Sat Sep 24, 2016 1:58 pm

corbyn has very vocal minority support but he's not a viable general election candidate

its a long time till 2020 but the last thing the uk needs is an opposition leader that can't actually be considered meaningful competition for the conservatives.
  • 1

User avatar
ramseames
 
Posts: 2235
Joined: Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:14 pm
Location: vancouver
Reputation: 6687

Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby maj » Sat Sep 24, 2016 2:25 pm

And Owen smith was? That's what the competition was for. If Owen can't even beat a group of "tiny corbyn supporters" even with many of them being purged for no reason and receiving no ballot how was he to win the electorate?

Corbyn has been on the right side of history since he started office and not many can say that, he's been a victim of a massive media assignation and his many of the Labour Party have disgraced themselves trying to put him, they lost. He's done well in local elections and mayoral elections and support is growing. If his party now works with him over the next 4 years they've got a better chance than they did with miliband. Which lets not forget couldn't even decide what they stood for.
  • 6

Major General John "Hacks" Dunning (Viscount Windsor) aka peak angry nerd
User avatar
maj
 
Posts: 1456
Joined: Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:44 pm
Location: the lower north (woo)
Reputation: 8934

Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby bels » Sat Sep 24, 2016 3:05 pm

Corbyn definitely in the right side of history given his anti europe stance has finally won out
  • 4

Image
User avatar
bels
Yung Winona
 
Posts: 5039
Joined: Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:43 pm
Reputation: 18678

Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby SteevMike » Sat Sep 24, 2016 5:35 pm

corbyn getting an overwhelming majority + sanders' (surprisingly, all things considered) strong primary challenge is giving me high hopes for the NDP leadership election next year

but i know if anyone can let me down, it's the NDP
  • 4

User avatar
SteevMike
 
Posts: 117
Joined: Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:33 am
Location: Out Sarging
Reputation: 357

Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby oucho » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:30 pm

Apparently the EU negotiation team is an extremely elite squad. So what's going to happen is the UK is going to get given a tough deal, take it to another referendum because of how tough it is, we will vote against the deal and stay in the EU. Who knows, who are the UK going to have who actually knows anything about the EU.

I don't really know what I think of Corbyn but Smith seemed pretty hopeless. I watched him on question time with Corbyn and his strategy was pretty clear 'We don't even know what we voted for when we voted leave!', 'Jeremy Corbyn is happy to stay in opposition but I want to win!', rinse and repeat at every opportunity. I know it's difficult to get a more nuanced message out in the current media climate but it was pathetic. Whatever you think about his policies I think Corbyn's style is refreshing, although maybe ineffective.
  • 2

Image
oucho
 
Posts: 504
Joined: Thu Mar 27, 2014 5:34 pm
Reputation: 3692

Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby ramseames » Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:42 pm

@Thephfactor labour came pretty close to winning the most seats

Image

Corbyn is very popular within the party but not among the general population. The Conservatives have spent the last year fucking up, the fact that labour is losing ground is insane.

Image

Anyway, this comes across like semi good news:

https://www.ft.com/content/5763950a-84d ... 59a58ac7a5
  • 0

Last edited by ramseames on Tue Sep 27, 2016 5:13 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
ramseames
 
Posts: 2235
Joined: Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:14 pm
Location: vancouver
Reputation: 6687

Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby Syeknom » Tue Sep 27, 2016 5:28 pm

@ramseames

Because of the coalition though

Ed has some level of bipartisan appeal, whereas corbyn thinks that's a dirty word


It's frightfully reductive of the complex electoral, social and political milieu in the United Kingdom of the past half-decade to wave off the results of the last election as "because of the coalition". The meteoric rise of Scottish nationalist movement in the form of the SNP was a huge factor (wiping out Labour bases), as was any number of other key issues within England.

Labour weren't close to "winning the most seats" they were close (according to - ultimately very inaccurate - opinion polling) to forcing a no majority parliament which is an entirely different beast.
  • 0

User avatar
Syeknom
 
Posts: 2109
Joined: Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:48 pm
Location: Amsterdam
Reputation: 7983

Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby rublev » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:30 pm

jeremy corbyn thinks he'll win an election by campaigning on 'socialism for the 21st century'

delusional
  • 3

User avatar
rublev
Political Editor
 
Posts: 989
Joined: Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:57 pm
Reputation: 4232

Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby maj » Wed Sep 28, 2016 7:05 pm

Amendment

Promised myself to stay away from Internet politics.
  • 1

Major General John "Hacks" Dunning (Viscount Windsor) aka peak angry nerd
User avatar
maj
 
Posts: 1456
Joined: Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:44 pm
Location: the lower north (woo)
Reputation: 8934

Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby rublev » Wed Sep 28, 2016 8:24 pm

i've said what i think about jeremy corbyn so there's no point going round in circles.

i'm still not sure how going further to the left than ed means labour has a better chance of winning the next general election. to win labour need to take support away from the conservative party. try telling sadiq khan that JC had anything to do with him winning mayor...

i know we need to take it with a with a large pinch of salt because of the numbers but yougov and electiondata did polling recently re the leadership election and owen smith was backed by the pre 2015 members. whatever you make of that it's clear that the membership of the party has drastically changed. i think i saw something like 1/5 didn't vote labour in 2015 general election. i'm sure someone else watched the dispatches and panorama last week about momentum - they know how to drag out a few points over 30 mins but the fundamentals were pretty scary in how they're now operating (particularly intimidation, deselection etc, not to mention the violation of the data protection act and misuse of labour party funds). this came less than a week after the revelation that the JC gang had written up a list of potential trouble making MPs to target... yet he talks of healing and 'coming together'. tricky.

also, there are still too many things i just plain dislike about him

[youtube]?v=-1JUztMcg9A[/youtube]

here he is doing his own (paid) call in show on the iranian state TV channel, presumably sandwiched in between holocaust deniers and hanging gays from lamp posts. remember, there's no anti semitism problem in the labour party

Image

speaking of awful regimes. go a few pages back in this thread to see how much chavez did for his population

Image

and here he is as chair of stop the war. this is an organisation that defended russia’s 2008 invasion of georgia and the 2014 annexation of crimea, didn't allow anti-assad syrians to speak at a syrian war debate, supported the killing of british soldiers in iraq, had a headline saying 'paris reaps whirlwind of western support for extremist violence in middle east'...

hmmmm dunno
  • 2

User avatar
rublev
Political Editor
 
Posts: 989
Joined: Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:57 pm
Reputation: 4232

Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby bels » Thu Sep 29, 2016 2:16 am

Plus, going of that last pic, he folds down the collar on his harrington instead of leaving it up as god intended.

One thing Rublev, presumably you're suggesting that the 1/5th of new labour members who weren't labour voters before weren't Tory voters? Because otherwise it would seem like he was managing to take support from the conservatives.
  • 1

Image
User avatar
bels
Yung Winona
 
Posts: 5039
Joined: Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:43 pm
Reputation: 18678

Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby rublev » Wed Oct 05, 2016 6:33 am

@bels sorry should have made it more clear that the 1/5 was from the polling not the whole membership. the new members have not come from the conservatives - greens, SWP, AWL, TUSC, even the communist party. SWP have arranged events specifically to promote JC, AWL etc have sent round mailers telling their members to 'flood the party'. AWL members (banned from labour) have also spoken at momentum rallies asking for their supporters to do the same thing.

@adiabatic"The Telegraph reader's stereotype of a Guardian reader made flesh" ?? what stereotypes?

@thephfactor i don't understand what you mean

anyway, can't believe some of the stuff we heard yesterday at the tory conference. last year david cammy talked of "the proudest multi-racial democracy on earth". now we're hearing about employers having to list foreign workers, landlords reporting foreign tenants, NHS replacing foreign doctors.

times front page today

Image

has amber rudd forgotten that these EU workers are from those countries who might want to make a brexit deal tricky?

only silver lining was this tweet from ed

Image
  • 1

User avatar
rublev
Political Editor
 
Posts: 989
Joined: Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:57 pm
Reputation: 4232

Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby bels » Wed Oct 05, 2016 6:44 am

Was also shocked at how anti business the Tory line appears.

The nationalism was less shocking but just as depressing obviously.
  • 0

Image
User avatar
bels
Yung Winona
 
Posts: 5039
Joined: Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:43 pm
Reputation: 18678

Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby rublev » Sun Oct 09, 2016 9:50 pm

first time a presidential candidate vows to prosecute and jail their opponent?

this is awful
  • 2

User avatar
rublev
Political Editor
 
Posts: 989
Joined: Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:57 pm
Reputation: 4232

Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby rublev » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:16 pm

this is grim

...and trump just praised assad, russia and iran

(and threw pence under the bus)
  • 0

User avatar
rublev
Political Editor
 
Posts: 989
Joined: Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:57 pm
Reputation: 4232

Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby rublev » Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:55 am

we're back in the commons again with an emergency discussion on syria

Image

West must confront Russia over Aleppo, emergency Commons debate to hear - guardian

lot of platitudes and "we must do something!". safe zones, no fly zones, sanctions all ringing a bit hollow now. regardless i don't see how the two former would change the course of the war and there is little evidence to suggest the later would make a difference either. boris johnson says proudly that the UK is leading the way in "pointing out what the Russian are up to" on the international stage. hmmm.
  • 0

User avatar
rublev
Political Editor
 
Posts: 989
Joined: Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:57 pm
Reputation: 4232

Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby adiabatic » Tue Oct 11, 2016 5:05 pm

I almost kinda sorta maybe sometimes understand why we (broadly: NATO) are in Syria doing military things.

Why's Russia there, though? Why do they care what's happening in Syria?
  • 0

“clothing for attractive rich people in their 20s to go to weddings in” — Zack Johnson on Vineyard Vines
User avatar
adiabatic
 
Posts: 301
Joined: Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:10 pm
Reputation: 372

Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby rublev » Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:31 pm

i would say it seems that the US is pretty unsure about what it's doing in syria.

to be pedantic NATO as an organisation aren't involved. the US led coalition has some NATO members but even that's a little complicated now. at the end of august turkey started its own operation into northern syria in cooperation with some specific FSA groups. they have come into direct contact (and conflict) with US backed kurdish fighters who had liberated other syria cities from IS.

syria is a client state of russia. their relationship comes from cold war era etc. moscow don't want the assad regime to collapse, don't want a messy fallout where sunni groups might dominate, don't want a large turkish or saudi footprint etc.

essentially the assad regime couldn't last without intervention. at the time of the initial intervention last year, various anti-government rebel groups carried out two offensives in idlib (western syria) and were making significant gains elsewhere. the syrian military was also pretty depleted and struggling - when people talk about the syrian military now it's really better to see it in terms of iranian troops, iranian militias, shia iraqi militias, hezbollah from lebanon (by way of iran), syrian warlord factions etc. now russia provide the air power for these ground forces to take territory (along with some special forces). so russia are there to salvage assad's position while maintaining their stake in syria. superficially this is stuff like air bases, naval bases, various economic relationships. there are also wider ambitions - perhaps expand their role in the region, force the US to sit down as equals, be regarded as a 'necessary' power etc, not to mention the domestic political objectives (monetising political victories at home / small wars for domestic legitimacy is a fairly common ploy used by the kremlin).

just now russia are trying to shift the centre of gravity. destroy what is regarded as moderate opposition so the conflict becomes a choice between secular syrian regime (but not necessarily assad), and groups like al-nusra and IS.
  • 5

User avatar
rublev
Political Editor
 
Posts: 989
Joined: Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:57 pm
Reputation: 4232

Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby starfox64 » Fri Oct 28, 2016 5:40 pm

  • 3

"Authorities say the phony Pope can be recognized by his high-top sneakers and incredibly foul mouth."
User avatar
starfox64
 
Posts: 1143
Joined: Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:41 am
Location: your mom
Reputation: 2121

Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby rublev » Thu Nov 03, 2016 10:02 am

Pound soars after government loses Brexit ruling - FT

The pound soared to a three-week high on Thursday after the High Court ruled the government must seek parliamentary approval for triggering Article 50, delivering a setback to prime minister Theresa May’s timetable for Brexit.

Sterling jumped to $1.2448, pushing its intra-day rise at one point to 1.2 per cent. In a volatile London session, investors wrestled with the implications of the defeat, which some analysts suggested would force the government to only delay its plans rather than significantly alter them.

Political and market analysts expect MPs to approve Article 50 — the official trigger for the two-year negotiations on Britain’s EU exit — although the House of Lords could prove a stumbling block and affect the government’s timing.

The pound gave up some of its gains after it emerged the government would appeal the ruling at the Supreme Court, though the currency remained more than 1 per cent higher.

Jordan Rochester, Nomura FX strategist, said the market would be pricing in “an improved probability of soft Brexit on the assumption the House of Commons will strong-arm the government into making single market access a necessity” from its negotiations with the EU.

The realisation that the EU would not countenance the UK retaining single market access if it insists on controls over immigration, means that sterling’s short-term move upwards “will become an opportunity to fade”, the rally, Mr Rochester added.

However, Mr Rochester cautioned: “We wouldn’t fight against this price action for now.”

After a torrid October, which saw the pound fall more than 6 per cent, the currency is having a buoyant week, rising more than 2 per cent. Some of that has come from dollar weakness amid market jitters about the outcome of next week’s US presidential election.

The pound is broadly becoming a political currency, its fluctuations dependent mainly on developments in Brexit negotiations.


so sterling improves after may is humiliated by the high court

chump MP david davies (the guy who said we should check migrant teeth) just tweeted "Unelected judges calling the shots. This is precisely why we voted out. Power to the people!" 'take back control' etc...
  • 3

User avatar
rublev
Political Editor
 
Posts: 989
Joined: Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:57 pm
Reputation: 4232

Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby nope » Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:21 am

Not just "unelected"...

Image
  • 4

User avatar
nope
 
Posts: 101
Joined: Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:25 pm
Reputation: 661

Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby rublev » Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:31 am

the trump / 'mexican judge' debacle doesn't seem so alien now...

mail online describes gina miller as "former model...south american mother-of-three"

can barely unpack that headline

(but not has bad as this from front page yesterday)

Image

gutter 'journalism' at its most vile
  • 4

User avatar
rublev
Political Editor
 
Posts: 989
Joined: Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:57 pm
Reputation: 4232

Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby odradek » Thu Nov 03, 2016 5:45 pm

i think people in cars should wear hi viz and have polystyrene helmets. it is incumbent on them to not be hit by lorry drivers.
  • 5

Image
User avatar
odradek
 
Posts: 981
Joined: Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:53 pm
Reputation: 5967

Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby rublev » Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:18 pm

people have had enough of experts

Image

Image

Image

Image

roger griffin's definition of fascism

...the core mobilizing myth of fascism which conditions its ideology, propaganda, style of politics and actions is the vision of the nation's imminent rebirth from decadence.
  • 4

User avatar
rublev
Political Editor
 
Posts: 989
Joined: Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:57 pm
Reputation: 4232

Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby rublev » Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:18 pm

Image

about right
  • 2

User avatar
rublev
Political Editor
 
Posts: 989
Joined: Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:57 pm
Reputation: 4232

PreviousNext

Return to Care

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests