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Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby bels » Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:31 am

Can we set up a brexit/trump blame bingo card?

disenfranchised millenials / disenfranchised white working class / political elites / epistemological nihilism / complacent liberals /
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Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby oucho » Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:25 am

It does seem very difficult for politicians to run a campaign based on policy at the moment. Although he lost, one thing I really noticed about Owen Smith in his one debate with Corbyn was the three buzzword-y sentences he had and the way he tried to repeat them at every opportunity. It seems like this is the only way to get a message through to people. I feel like it's the result of increasingly efficient marketing techniques from businesses combined with the effect of the internet. Obviously branding has become incredibly important over the last 50-100 years and people are finding ever more efficient ways to communicate what a company does, combined with the way we use the internet it feels like the way politicians/newspapers/companies have to communicate with people now has been boiled down to this weird insubstantial thing. It's clear, especially when you look at fashion brands, that using the right words has a much bigger effect than whatever you are actually doing. Even if it's led by clickbait and businesses politicians end up being dragged into the same way of communicating because it's the most efficient way, and they have to compete with all the other noise out there as well as their opponents.
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Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby oucho » Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:33 am

@pirxthepilot Words combined with symbols and photography prime you to look at the clothes from a certain perspective. There is almost no situation today where you have to sell something exclusively through words. Every time you buy something online you are buying because of so many reasons other than the actual item of clothing. This is obvious, but I don't think we realise the extent to which this is true. I'm not saying you could have a fashion brand that only describes what it does with 0 pictures, although that immediately seems like a really cool concept.
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Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby pirxthepilot » Fri Nov 11, 2016 12:52 pm

edit: was going to talk about ballard and psychopathologies (esp 'why i want to fuck ronald reagan) but eh.

so, pre-election i got involved in a scheme where you text mid-western millennials to encourage them to turn out to vote. after hundreds of text exchanges i am able to confirm that millennials are reasonably good at coming up with linguistic variants on 'eat a dick'
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Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby teck » Sun Nov 13, 2016 6:23 pm

so, pre-election i got involved in a scheme where you text mid-western millennials to encourage them to turn out to vote.


was this like an app or something?
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Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby pirxthepilot » Sun Nov 13, 2016 6:28 pm

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Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby qalandar » Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:46 pm

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- richard rorty, achieving our country. 1998.

Shaun King has supposedly been flooded with 10k reports of hate "crimes"-- or hateful behavior or however it should be designated-- over the past two days. Here's a refined list of 200
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/201 ... ection-day
Note: I have no idea about the reliability of any of this. Of course it won't compare to the oppression white males have increasingly faced in the US over the past two decades

If Trump repeals Dodd Frank the banks will have free reign. The pharma/biotech stocks also breathed a deep collective sigh of relief as Clinton's crosshairs were withdrawn. So we will be careening toward the next eventual "correction" (read: market crash) pumped full of sedatives and purple pills for the maladie du jour.
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Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby rublev » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:29 am

What So Many People Don’t Get About the U.S. Working Class

admiration of the rich but resentment of the professional class. an interesting take on what happened last week.

can't believe steve bannon is chief strategist. i posted this here earlier in the year but maybe worth doing again. bloomberg's profile of him - 'This Man Is the Most Dangerous Political Operative in America'

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what john mccain and john kasich adviser thinks about it
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Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby rublev » Mon Nov 14, 2016 1:17 pm

ADL just released a statement condemning appointment of bannon

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battle of britain touting 5 star shit talker farage decided to spend remembrance sunday in trump tower
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Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby pirxthepilot » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:05 am

^ loathsome though all these types are it's exasperating that the left-wing info bubble is still in full effect. the guardian spent yesterday front-paging the rout in US bonds (same vein as the 'sterling drops of a cliff' post-brexit headline)- but doesn't a sell-off in long-dated treasuries mean the markets are predicting economic growth- ie presumably what tens of millions of people voted for?

which raises the point that if the infrastructure spend goes ahead as planned it could, at least in theory, be the type of applied keynesian stimulus that opponents of neo-liberalism have been advocating since the GFC (as opposed to the ongoing austerity/QE package that would almost certainly have been the Hilary way)
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Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby bels » Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:07 pm

What's the solution to the left wing info bubble? Other than doubting everything I read?
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Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

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Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby rublev » Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:36 pm

plenty lead with the bond issue - so did WSJ (not really part of the left wing info bubble). worst week in more than 7 years for US treasuries is significant. inflation is obviously a worry. if you think about what trump actually said on the campaign - slashing taxes, what seems to be extraordinary high levels of spending etc, combined with protectionist trade and 'send them home' immigration - kinda sounds right for high inflation. we'll likely see instability until it's clear whether any of that becomes reality (via congress). not surprised it's being called out.

re the infrastructure spending - we don't really know what it will entail. seems to be a bipartisan issue with lots of democrats already saying they'd work with trump on the issue. but i'm not surprised trump likes the idea (it's almost another way for him to stick his name on things). if you look at the contract doc he released it says "Leverages public-private partnerships, and private investments through tax incentives, to spur $1 trillion in infrastructure investment over ten years. It is revenue neutral.". peter navarro is the economist shaping much of trump's economic thinking. if you read what he's said much of it reads like a certain type of privatisation playbook. problem with this is that infrastructure built will in many cases be profit motivated - fine for a big projects in NYC or LA etc, but what about the smaller cities where the work really needs to be done (and there is less business interest)? you give investors a bigger cut of the profits. or people take risks, cut corners to reduce costs (example closer to home, example further away). the irony is that trump got rich by licensing his name to projects - he'd be doing the same with the government. it's about big money and decisions happening elsewhere - not local communities.

also, the idea that infrastructure is apolitical / 'good' doesn't wash. we've seen what trump thinks about climate change so could well expect to see more keystone pipelines, refineries etc, while curbing investment in renewables.
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Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby pirxthepilot » Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:16 pm

i can see why the WSJ would lead with it- for their readers, inflation is a huge worry as it will erode the value of their assets.
i know very little about economics but from a labour market perspective at least isn't inflation a good thing? (implies rising wages, increased demand/confidence, more people in the workforce). plus, the big problem over the last few years has been getting inflation up to the 2% target, despite lowest interest rates in living memory. and even then, with a hawkish fed (likely to be even more so), if it were to rise rapidly higher rates could come into play.
hadn't read that infrastructure document but it does make for grim reading.
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Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby Copeland » Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:12 am

The infrastructure will get fixed no matter what, even if it comes down to letting a few bridges collapse and innocents suffer. Most of the bridges were built 50+ years ago with an expected lifespan of 50 years. There will be short term spending, but no way in hell can Trump cut taxes, regulate trade, and also make the budget work.

America's infrastructure report card, this was from 3 years ago:

http://www.infrastructurereportcard.org/grades/
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Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby bels » Wed Nov 16, 2016 10:24 am

I don't really think that "reading both sides" is a valid media strategy when both sides are reporting bunkum. That just leaves you in the position of trying to pick which bunkum to support, using bunkum facts.
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Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby bels » Wed Nov 16, 2016 11:40 am

http://www.mtv.com/news/2955021/shirtle ... ng-kitten/

Reminds me of that short story by Vladislav Surkov

http://www.bewilderingstories.com/issue ... t_sky.html

Think this is something adam curtis is deeply mining lately with his hyper normalisation thing that I haven't seen.
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Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby rublev » Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:32 pm

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video earlier this week of an anti trump rally in LA got 30K retweets even though it was from caracas in september

oxford dictionaries word of the year has been announced as 'post-truth' (...or has it?)
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Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

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Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby pirxthepilot » Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:54 pm

^im sure youre right but this is what i'm struggling to get to grips with. post GFC i read a lot about the obsession with inflation/fiscal deficits being no more than a neo-liberal dogma, one that could only lead to low growth, unemployment, stagnant wages, slack consumer demand etc. which is pretty much what we've had, and which I think has been the single biggest contributing factor to the brexit/trump phenomena. so from that perspective the idea of saying forget inflation, we need to focus on full employment (which is what governments did pre-1970(?)s might actually have some merit? as rublev says, the actual implementation will doubtless be awful if it happens at all. but maybe, in outline at least, this is the kind of bold stimulus obama should've undertaken instead of QE - which by feeding into asset prices rather than wages only made the rich richer and didn't help workers at all
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Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

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Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

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Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby adiabatic » Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:21 am

A very long post, but You Are Still Crying Wolf is…great. Provides a lot of context for the 2016 election. Here's how it starts once it gets past the content warning and the very necessary disclaimer that he still thinks Trump is super terrible:

Scott Alexander wrote:Back in October 2015, I wrote that the media narrative of Trump as “the white power candidate” and “the first openly white supremacist candidate to have a shot at the Presidency in the modern era” were being fabricated out of thin air. I said that “the media narrative that Trump is doing some kind of special appeal-to-white-voters voodoo is unsupported by any polling data”, and predicted that:

Scott Alexander, earlier wrote:If Trump were the Republican nominee, he could probably count on equal or greater support from minorities as Romney or McCain before him.


Well, guess what? The votes are in, and Trump got greater support from minorities than Romney or McCain before him. You can read the Washington Post article, Trump Got More Votes From People Of Color Than Romney Did, or look at the raw data (source)

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I stick to my thesis from October 2015. There is no evidence that Donald Trump is more racist than any past Republican candidate. [...] I avoided pushing this point any more since last October because I didn’t want to look like I was supporting Trump, or accidentally convince anyone else to support Trump. But since we’re past the point where that matters anymore, I want to present exactly why I think this is true.
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Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby rublev » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:06 am

Viral Fake Election News Outperformed Real News On Facebook In Final Months Of The US Election

thinking more about curtis and the above, and kind of merging into the 'art thread'... ("isn't all art political?" *sips decafe latte*) metahaven are a design studio based in amsterdam. you can read about them here, here, and here. for me they're one of the most exciting / weird / intelligent things happening in the 'design field' (as broad as that might be). anyway one of their recent projects was a film looking at propaganda and the internet as “a weapon of mass disruption”. the website for the project is sprawl. peter pomerantsev pops up in it, who is great.

some clips



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Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby teck » Thu Nov 17, 2016 11:22 am

whoa that was pretty cool. can we get some kind of discussion group on this (separate from this thread)? i need some grad student guidance in this piece.
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Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby Copeland » Thu Nov 17, 2016 11:42 pm

adiabatic wrote:A very long post, but You Are Still Crying Wolf is…great. Provides a lot of context for the 2016 election. Here's how it starts once it gets past the content warning and the very necessary disclaimer that he still thinks Trump is super terrible:

Scott Alexander wrote:Back in October 2015, I wrote that the media narrative of Trump as “the white power candidate” and “the first openly white supremacist candidate to have a shot at the Presidency in the modern era” were being fabricated out of thin air. I said that “the media narrative that Trump is doing some kind of special appeal-to-white-voters voodoo is unsupported by any polling data”, and predicted that:

Scott Alexander, earlier wrote:If Trump were the Republican nominee, he could probably count on equal or greater support from minorities as Romney or McCain before him.


Well, guess what? The votes are in, and Trump got greater support from minorities than Romney or McCain before him. You can read the Washington Post article, Trump Got More Votes From People Of Color Than Romney Did, or look at the raw data (source)

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I stick to my thesis from October 2015. There is no evidence that Donald Trump is more racist than any past Republican candidate. [...] I avoided pushing this point any more since last October because I didn’t want to look like I was supporting Trump, or accidentally convince anyone else to support Trump. But since we’re past the point where that matters anymore, I want to present exactly why I think this is true.


he doesn't mention the mexican judge or many other incidents, the fact that minorities voted for him, especially Latinos, can simply mean that they identify with his economic rhetoric enough to overlook his xenophobic rhetoric.

Here's some alt-right spreading to Canada:

http://globalnews.ca/news/3074043/shock ... 42758783=1

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Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby mc-lunar » Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:04 am

we got these signs in fake canada:
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Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby adiabatic » Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:09 am

Copeland wrote:he doesn't mention the mexican judge or many other incidents, the fact that minorities voted for him, especially Latinos, can simply mean that they identify with his economic rhetoric enough to overlook his xenophobic rhetoric.

Here's some alt-right spreading to Canada:

http://globalnews.ca/news/3074043/shock ... 42758783=1


Alexander mentioned l'affaire Curiel in passing (ctrl-F for "judge"). One of the things I heard a couple times this election is that one can't expect Puerto Ricans and Cubans (of whatever generation) to reflexively vote for legalization of Mexican immigration because PRs and Cubans, by and large, don't have immigration-status problems.

What's interesting about the post-election Discourse™ is that it centers almost entirely on middle-American whites. Makes sense, but on the other hand none of the Trump supporters I know are nonhispanic white gentiles.

[staring off into the distance] It's nice that we have easy language to describe and talk about central tendencies (think mean, median, and mode) but it's much more difficult to talk about dispersion casually without sounding like a dork. Plus, all we seem to be able to do is point to central examples or noncentral examples; only rarely do we have numbers on how closely the mass of members resemble the central examples of a group.

[focusing back on the topic at hand] The flyer is…interesting. Impact ("Step…over") has been on Windows machines since the 90s, but squinting at the R and t and a and r in the smaller text…that's Helvetica, not Arial. This flyer was made on a Mac. I would not have expected that.
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Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby Copeland » Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:21 am

It was stupid of Hillary to expect that the Latinos would vote as one bloc, that they would automatically be turned off Trump's comments.
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Re: News/Current Events, discussion (Bullets, Ballots & Bomb

Postby bels » Fri Nov 18, 2016 3:10 am

adiabatic wrote:[focusing back on the topic at hand] The flyer is…interesting. Impact ("Step…over") has been on Windows machines since the 90s, but squinting at the R and t and a and r in the smaller text…that's Helvetica, not Arial. This flyer was made on a Mac. I would not have expected that.


This is the whole schtick of the alt-right. They're not old skinhead dudes who drive around in jeeps. They're (advertised as) hip millenials with beards who like memes and watch anime.
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