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Re: Veganarchism

Postby exprof » Sun Apr 26, 2015 2:50 pm

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Re: Veganarchism

Postby sknss » Sun May 10, 2015 4:24 am

Guys I think I defeated the green monster. I can drink spirulina in a glass of grapefruit juice!! Also I now use a little whisk to mix it into the drink (impossible to do with a spoon). Grapefruit juice is strong enough that it almost completely masks the taste.
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Re: Veganarchism

Postby exprof » Sun May 10, 2015 11:47 am

ive only eaten falafels for lunch this week
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Re: Veganarchism

Postby JonjoShelvey » Mon May 11, 2015 11:22 am

for all yall trying to get 150+ grams of protein per day with a veg diet, look into seitan. very similar to chicken breast in protein and calories per gram.
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Re: Veganarchism

Postby longjumps » Mon May 11, 2015 12:55 pm

tried ethiopian food for the first time yesterday! there were some really great vegan options- I had mesir wot and atkilt wot.

plus you get to eat with your hands (how cool is that)
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Re: Veganarchism

Postby thephfactor » Wed May 20, 2015 6:17 pm

Only ate meat twice since January when I made my first post in this thread. The first was when my uncle took me out to dinner a few days in and I was too embarrassed to say anything. The second was during an Islam appreciation event at my school and was a deliberate choice, felt it was important in the context. Other than that no animal flesh has passed through this boy's intestines! Thanks for a cool thread!
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Re: Veganarchism

Postby LelandJ » Wed May 20, 2015 9:34 pm

Got more dislikes than likes but I agree with her:



Haven't had any Pacific tuna since March 2011 since they're all contaminated by Fukushima radiation, don't even eat salmon anymore to be safe.

Some of my favorite meats: heritage chicken, heritage turkey, wild turkey, wild pig, wild elk, quail and grass-fed lamb.
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Re: Veganarchism

Postby LelandJ » Thu May 21, 2015 3:01 am

thephfactor wrote:why are you talking about your favorite meats in the veganarchism thread? start a meatcapitalism thread, lol.


I listed ethical meats which have nothing to do with the tortured, diseased, toxic livestock of conventional ag. My Lierre Keith video on the "Vegetarian Myth" is a counter 'argument' to veganism. If Wal-mart is where you do most your food shopping then I sympathize. I grew up poor in a food desert and suffered the health consequences of that as well.
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Re: Veganarchism

Postby LelandJ » Thu May 21, 2015 5:45 am

stappard wrote:there isn't really a counter argument to veganism driven by not wanting to kill animals is there though


Desire to avoid providing essential nutrition for yourself isn't healthy imo, regardless if you participate in hunting and sacrificing or have others do it for you. I've only killed chickens and goats but done efficiently and humanely there's very little suffering involved. There's nothing in life that isn't sacred.

The problem is destruction of the environment:

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No surprise near term human extinction is on the way.
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Re: Veganarchism

Postby maj » Thu May 21, 2015 6:39 am

How do you kill them? Is it the usual shot to the head.

To myself killing anything to me is weird, I just wouldn't do it and it's why I try to avoid stuff which does. To me killing stuff itself is inhumane, I don't need to do it and if that means sacrificing a few inches of height or a bit of maximum strength so be it, I sit at a desk all day. Then again I was raised in a town environment, my country side of the family are all for it nature managements I've seen and studied are all for it for it which are the two sides of environmental approaches I see. Vegans vs sustainable management essentially. I'm totally against mass produced/industrial meat any form any reason but although I wouldn't eat it, partake of endorse it, have a *sympathetic* view towards the hunting/ management side.

What's your view on the documented health gains to avoiding meats in the long term?

Quite interested as The argument I see for the eating of wild meat is usually that it's inline with primitive man and that's when we developed the most/ fastest. But to someone who lives now the advantages seem somewhat marginal compared to that of the benefits plant based offers, smoother digestion, less chance of severe illnesses in later life and generally working better within large populations without material and monetary subsidies (ignoring the fact the best thing for the world is all humans disappear which is absolute) in the broadest terms. My partner is a biologist who looks into the health benefits of diet and foods and was indifferent about eating meat until she saw what it does in the long term and now has moved to a "reducatarian" approach, constantly battling not over "meat tastes so fucking good" vs "it's so horrid to my health".

I'm just not sure what to believe on the argument front, although lean to plants r gr8 for me personally and I just don't want to kill anything ever as much I can do within my control.
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Re: Veganarchism

Postby Bobbin.Threadbare » Thu May 21, 2015 7:33 am

Leland, do you only eat wild meat?
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Re: Veganarchism

Postby LelandJ » Thu May 21, 2015 2:09 pm

Of course it's extremely bad for health to eat industrial meat, but to assume the same for non-industrial is false.

Put chickens upside down in a chicken cone, hold the head, and slice the main artery to let the blood drain out. Have to be careful not to cut the trachea as well or it'll choke on its own blood and start convulsing in the cone. Bullet to the goat's head, out instantly.

I listed the meats I eat above. I've abstained from all grass-fed beef since Fukushima since they bioaccumulated the fallout in northern California. Should be safe to eat now though and only been eating grass-fed lamb since 2014.
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Re: Veganarchism

Postby LelandJ » Thu May 21, 2015 2:45 pm

mc-lunar wrote:sorry if this comes across wrong, but my understanding was that any fallout from fukushima was negligible?


Fukushima's the largest nuclear accident in history by order magnitude and also most toxic single industrial accident ever. Roughly 5,000 tons of nuclear fuel in freshly spent fuel ponds and reactor cores involved in the explosions and ongoing uncontrolled open release. Chernobyl only had 180 tons. Japan is pretty much fucked as a people and country, even Tokyo's land and tap water have been contaminated above internationally recognized "habitable" zones. But you obviously can't evacuate Tokyo or most of northern Japan. I can never visit my hometown in Iwate again, my uncle there's had thyroid cancer since 2013 and millions of Japanese will die pre-maturely from ingesting fallout.

You shouldn't eat any food or tea imported from Japan, it's all contaminated with radionuclides.
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Re: Veganarchism

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Re: Veganarchism

Postby thephfactor » Thu May 21, 2015 3:15 pm

Unless eating grass-fed lambs makes one effectively immortal, as maj said, I don't see a compelling enough reason to eat meat even if it is better for you. Which I guess I haven't been convinced of and will have to do more research on.
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Re: Veganarchism

Postby LelandJ » Thu May 21, 2015 4:57 pm

thephfactor wrote:Unless eating grass-fed lambs makes one effectively immortal, as maj said, I don't see a compelling enough reason to eat meat even if it is better for you. Which I guess I haven't been convinced of and will have to do more research on.


Millions of years humans have been carnivores along with other mammals. Why would anyone desire to deny nature? Modern society's removed from nature and the 'too-good-to-kill' attitude is only an empty justification of unhealthy separation from nature.

Tore my rotator cuff severely less than two months ago and my therapist recommended lamb spareribs with high fat and connective tissue content in my diet which I've been eating at least three days a week. I've gone from a nearly totally crippled arm/shoulder to almost 80% range of motion and haven't even started rehab yet. Can't give meat all the credit though as I've been drinking comfrey leaf and gotu kola tea every day.
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Re: Veganarchism

Postby LelandJ » Thu May 21, 2015 5:40 pm

phfactor wrote:There are many behaviors found in nature that wouldn't be good ethical choices for humans. Denying nature is what civilization is.


Good thing humans didn't learn ecocide and genocide from nature else someone might consider it unethical.



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Re: Veganarchism

Postby thephfactor » Thu May 21, 2015 5:51 pm

I didn't say everything natural was unethical. I'm saying not every natural thing is ethical, so the natural-ness of something shouldn't necessarily be a factor when it comes to personal ethics.

And there are many reasons someone would desire to "deny nature". I think fashion is probably a denial of nature.
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Re: Veganarchism

Postby JonjoShelvey » Fri May 22, 2015 1:29 am

Can this not be the debate a veg thread??? These arguments are extremely boring.

Anyway I've been making a lot of seitan lately (all u need is flower and water it's so cheap) and I've screwed something up every time but I think I'm getting there. Seitan + spinach stir fry is the best thing in the world I eat it 1-2x a day. Easy to eat extremely spinach at once too cuz of how much it cooks down.

Any of yall have an everyday meal? Or a staple meal for when you don't wanna think about cooking?
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Re: Veganarchism

Postby sknss » Fri May 22, 2015 3:59 am

I hope we can avoid the natural/unnatural debate too. The vegan diet has been recognized as healthy and it works for me. Thats all i need. If you think eating meat is essential for your health leland then whatever works for you. No one is a dietetician here. I think avoiding factory farming is already a step in the right direction.

Jonjo, do you use gluten or just regular flour? I want to try making seitan too. Ive had it several times in a restaurant and it was always delicious.

My lazy meals:
Baked potato chips in the oven with some green salad
Open a can of beans, rinse and pour over rice
Salad with couscous and whatever veg (fresh or from a tin)
Bread/fresh veg and hummus
Pasta with tomato sauce and basil, bonus vegetables if im not too lazy
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Re: Veganarchism

Postby bels » Fri May 22, 2015 4:23 am

sknss wrote:Baked potato chips in the oven with some green salad


I have a hack that can make this even faster; Instead of baking the potatoes, when you're at the store see if they have "Doritos" they look a bit like triangular baked potato chips. Then I replace the green salad with "sour cream" which I think is not vegan but is vegetarian. YMMV
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Re: Veganarchism

Postby bels » Fri May 22, 2015 4:29 am

fuck it's 9.30 and now I really want doritos and sour cream
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Re: Veganarchism

Postby maj » Fri May 22, 2015 9:25 am

Nothing can beat

Curry microwave rice
Tin of baked beans
Knob of vegan spread
Handful of sultanas

So greasy, so shitty, so cheap, sooooooo good!
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Re: Veganarchism

Postby JonjoShelvey » Fri May 22, 2015 1:37 pm

sknss wrote:Jonjo, do you use gluten or just regular flour? I want to try making seitan too. Ive had it several times in a restaurant and it was always delicious.


It's gotta be regular flour cuz seitan is basically a ball of gluten. You can buy something called vital wheat gluten and just mix that w water then put in oven it's a lot quicker just a little more expensive.

Here are some links for making seitan at home:

How to make seitan from scratch(i only follow steps 1-3 then I bake it): http://m.instructables.com/id/Seitan-Ma ... /?ALLSTEPS

How to make it from vital wheat gluten: http://recipes.sparkpeople.com/recipe-d ... ipe=606572
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Re: Veganarchism

Postby deadkitty » Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:04 pm

eating veg is so cheap i love it
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Re: Veganarchism

Postby vgtbls » Tue Jun 23, 2015 11:27 am

https://thenib.com/longstreet-farm-1425a983fb1c

Here's a really good comic by Mike Dawson.

Baby steps for me because I'm a poor planner, but the vegan option at Chipotle is really amazing.
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Re: Veganarchism

Postby parastexis » Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:48 pm

confession time. i ate meat for the first time in 6 years last month, due to an unprecedented combination of being drunk and not speaking hungarian. as penance i'm going vegan for a couple months
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Re: Veganarchism

Postby sknss » Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:52 am

To be honest my holidays in budapest were one of the things that made me want to go vegan. So much meat everywhere. If you can you should go to Napfenyes Etterem (thanks @syeknom). We had some delicious food there.
Also happycow.com is a good website to find veg restaurants.
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Re: Veganarchism

Postby Syeknom » Wed Jun 24, 2015 5:04 am

Happycow is a life saver in Paris - walking into a random restaurant and expecting to find a decent meat-free option is fairly optimistic. So many good veggie places here though!

I want to go back to Budapest
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Re: Veganarchism

Postby Northwest » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:49 am

Only recently started down the veggie transition and trying to eat vegan whenever I go out to eat. Thankfully Seattle makes this easy, and there's a great indian/nepalese/tibetan place with excellent meals.

Anyone have favorite combinations when it comes to veggie/vegan stew + rice combos? My favorite thus far has been a cauliflower, snow peas, potatoes, and curry dish.
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