Veganarchism

[Cowboy]

Let's talk about anthropocentrism and how much everyone knows about it

Does anyone know about it?

It is interesting

[Cowboy]

@mc-lunar

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropocentrism

This'll start you off

I have not much past the layman of it (and how to use it in debate) and I'm just wondering how aware vegans are of the idea and how it affects being vegan

[tomsfood]

I haven't eaten meat with the exception of seafood since April. I originally decided I would continue eating seafood because I liked it more even though the same reasons I stopped eating land meat apply to sea meat (reasons being I don't want to kill animals and i like the environment). Lately though I haven't been able to bring myself to eat any seafood, which is g o o d I think.

Overall it's been an extremely easy change. At first I was kind of surprised that not eating meat didn't change my ability to eat delicious food. That was honestly the biggest thing holding me back for a long time in becoming a vegetable, that I liked food too much. Once I realized I can still eat good food it was no longer difficult.

I'm nearly certain that I'm not providing myself with the right nutrition however (i probably didn't even when i ate meat though) and I only expect that to get worse when I go back to school and have to cook/buy all of my own food. Something to work on I suppose.

Big thanks to bobbin, reading some of the things you've written about your choices helped me make up my mind about mine.

[JonjoShelvey]

yo i also havent eaten meat since april! we are veg bros and can celebrate our anniversary together next year

[Syeknom]

I've never entirely understood why people distinguish between sea-meat and land-meat - "but you still eat fish right?" is the number one thing people ask me when they discover that I'm vegetarian. I don't really understand it but I guess it's a thing.

[UnwashedMolasses]

I've never entirely understood why people distinguish between sea-meat and land-meat - "but you still eat fish right?" is the number one thing people ask me when they discover that I'm vegetarian. I don't really understand it but I guess it's a thing.

If anything I would think it'd be the opposite - most land-based livestock is (from an agricultural perspective) both unnatural and sustainable. The animals being harvested wouldn't exist for any purpose other than meat (or dairy) production. In contrast, fisheries (farm-raised fish) are nowhere near being sustainable, and a huge amount of the fish market is still being taken from the sea, where fish populations are dwindling both in number and in quality, as the largest, strongest fish are harvested at a higher rate.

At least from an ethical perspective, it seems to me that there's even less of an argument for fish then there is for land-based meat. Does anybody know why/how the split developed there? I have to wonder if it has any ties to religious traditions (no pork/no beef but fish is cool).

[sknss]

I think for most people it's easier to relate to cute cows and pigs rather than fish. But fish have lives too! http://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/factory-farming/fish/hidden-lives-fish/

[thephfactor]

I think it's more about fish being able to feel less or be less aware. That's the rationale I always heard, anyway.

[JonjoShelvey]

For me personally, and I know this is horrible rational and I will quit eating fish soon, I don't eat anything I couldn't personally kill. I grew up fishing in Florida so that has desensitized me to dead and dying fish. Typing it out makes me realize exactly how ridiculous this sounds so I won't eat anymore fish now.

[CMYK]

I've been vegetarian for 2 ish months now (One major cheat day). I'm mostly drawn to it for the health benefits, I definitely *feel* healthier, and it causes me to step outside my comfort zone when going out to eat. The ethical stuff is nice, but less of a primary concern for me.

[brlmski]

ive been a vegetarian my entire life and ill never use the ethical argument because there is no ethical consumption under late capitalism.

[vgtbls]

@sknss

[UnwashedMolasses]

Has anybody else seen 100% Food? I found it a few days ago and it's an interesting concept. It's a seed-based powder portioned so that three shakes a day fills all nutritional requirements (based on FDA 2000 kcal diet). Flavors come in raw/organic and chocolate.

Ingredients include:

- Organic golden flaxseed
- Hulled hemp seeds
- White hulled sesame seeds
- Brown rice flour
- Lecithin and Dextrose
- Vitamin and Mineral mix
- Premium chocolate mix for flavor (chocolate version only)

Apparently it's not just powder from seeds but there are actual seeds in the drink as well, so I've heard texture can be a difficulty. bean energy can be chosen between soy, whey, and plant. Putting it here because it seems like an easy way to hit the base of dietary needs, which I've heard can be complicated on a vegan diet.

http://www.spacenutrientsstation.com/buy

[bels]

Sounds sorta like S O Y L E N T.

Wouldn't mind having one of these fake ass food things around if it was/cheap convenient enough. Could bang one at work for those evenings when you don't have time to eat. Only issues are:

- I don't think you can "bang" a huge thick milkshake
- I assume they give you heinous gas which isn't going to be any use if you need to be around people.

related: this amusing article.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/03 ... 2_bottles/

[sknss]

:|

[parastexis]

ive been a vegetarian my entire life and ill never use the ethical argument because there is no ethical consumption under late capitalism.

there is no ethical consumption under capitalism but there is no ethical consumption of animals in any economic system

[JonjoShelvey]

Sounds sorta like S O Y L E N T.

Wouldn't mind having one of these fake ass food things around if it was/cheap convenient enough. Could bang one at work for those evenings when you don't have time to eat. Only issues are:

- I don't think you can "bang" a huge thick milkshake
- I assume they give you heinous gas which isn't going to be any use if you need to be around people.

related: this amusing article.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/03 ... 2_bottles/

fuck soylent! rahh im passionate about my hate for soylent! cuz of my fucked up digestive system i have been on meal replacement shakes before, and the idea of using one made by a rag tag group of programmers could not be less appealing.

there are already drinks out there (not vegan, usually contain milk product) that 1. dont taste like shit and 2. are made by actual scientists who are trained to make things like this for a living. the one I have used is called Ensure, 250 calories a serving, have like 8 servings a day. tastes like a bean energy shake basically. fairly cheap if you buy the powdered stuff, and you have a lower chance of dying while drinking this compared to soylent

[mc-lunar]

ive also got a fucked up digestive system and spent the better part of highschool drinking ensure/boost/etc and i've gotta say i honestly prefer soylent to them, purely in terms of taste/texture. I think boost/ensure do a better job of looking after micro nutrients and being digestible for people with sensitive digestion whereas I don't think that's even a consideration for soylent. I've never felt full after drinking the medical ones but soylent is like the texture of pancake batter so you actually get full

iirc soylent is supposed to only replace 2 meals a day so it's not really supposed to be a competitor for medical meal-replacement drinks. i think it's not really fair to compare them to each other since they serve different purposes

lol @ this space themed one though what a joke

[Cowboy]

http://blog.devicerandom.org

Reasonably interesting take on what some have dubbed "000"

[sknss]

http://www.seriouseats.com/vegan-experience
some stuff to read if you're feeling uninspired in the kitchen

[sknss]

do you guys have any ideas for halloween treats

[bels]

It's ok lou, you're in England now. We don't celebrate halloween here.

[sknss]

i don't know. i've been invited to a party. in my own house.

[sknss]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-Vegan-Moon-by-Kerri-Nelson-BOOK-Paperback-softback-Free-P-H-/201428393546?hash=item2ee6115e4a:g:oSQAAOSw9N1VvZJ-

When a vegetarian werewolf falls for a celebrity chef, will his appetite for her cause him to stray from his vegan ways? Santiago Salazar is a reformed werewolf living in sunny Beverly Hills, California. When he catches sight of celebrity chef Gabrielle Connor on television, he's soon drooling in his tofu burger.After they meet at one of Gabbi's book signings, Santiago is thrilled to discover that the attraction is mutual. The two hit it off in a major way but when the night takes a dark turn...Gabbi must decide if she can live with the new world that she's discovered and Santiago must ultimately answer to the werewolf code of conduct.Take one hungry werewolf and mix with one lonely chef, stir in some hot sex and Vegan Moon delivers a tasty treat that will keep you coming back for more.

[radicalbusiness]

Back in middle school I was totally obsessed with the skater/artist Ed Templeton. He's been vegan for awhile now and his skate shoes always had fake suede that was actually super durable. Definitely one of the first people I heard of being vegan at all at the time and always thought it was cool he was able to maintain that with his sponsored sneakers. I think he partially inspired me to start experimenting with vegetarianism back then, now it's been since 2014 that I had "land meat"!

These are his Emerica Transit lows I used to have.

Spoiler:

fuck i still love these shoes so much

[sknss]

[errantposture]

Does anybody have a recommendation for a vegetarian replacement for a hot dog? Doesn't necessarily have to taste exactly the same just fulfill a similar role(like a black bean burger doesn't really taste like a hamburger, but it's got the same style, that sort of thing)

[vgtbls]

I've heard a roasted carrot can be lovely, never had one in that context.

[JewTurk]

Does anyone here base their diet around non-water intensive crops/foods?


edit:
Almonds/lb are just as if not more water-intensive than beef/lb

I understand that is a singular case, and that animal grazing has other hideous side effects (methane, moral etc) but still. Seems like any kind of production can have some terrible side effects unless its grown for yourself. I'm just wondering if there are diets that focus on avoiding food that is water intensive and I'm having trouble finding stuff online.

[sknss]

Almonds/lb are just as if not more water-intensive than beef/lb

that's just not true

Our water-guzzling food factory

Meat makes the planet thirsty

also this is a fun test to take: water footprint calculator