Art

[anshin]

hmm maybe exploitative was the wrong word i did read that article posted a page back and found it interesting. still there is something about rafman's tone or 'aesthethic' that i find off putting, and not just in the intentional way he tries to gross you out like with still-life betamale. i think i prefer ryan trecartin(im not sure if a comparison can be drawn there but it seems like they sometimes hit on similar themes.) i've noticed i tend to dislike a lot of art about the internet/uses the internet as a medium. might have to do with my self-hatred about using the internet too much or maybe im on to something idk. serial experiments lain is still the best i've seen and that was made in '98 lol.

here i will leave u guys with this:



i love weerasethakul hes the most compassionate filmmaker out there imo. his installation work looks interesting too

[nope]

... I was thinking specifically of something at a trendy central london gallery that had rendered figures using speech synthesizers to perform statements from people who work at content moderation centers...

Kinda reminds me of Disruptive Muzak by Sam Kidel.

Drawing from this research, I composed a series of pieces that I call Disruptive Muzak. These pieces share a similar sound palette to Muzak, but their structure is less familiar, less predictable and more disruptive. To test these compositions I called up government offices that use Muzak in their telephone queues and played them down the phone instead of my voice. The music I played and the officials' responses were recorded and assembled into the piece that you hear on Side A. Side B contains the music only, that can be used to DIY.

Pretty into it.

[pirxthepilot]

@Sam youre in the 'pool right? did you have any thoughts on the biennale?
also i will prob come up for this
also why does a flat white cost £3 in liverpool

http://www.thebluecoat.org.uk/events/view/events/3493

[bels]

what 'ideas' prevail on the internet?

Realised you were saying this as a cry for help so I got some internet prevailing ideas that might interest you:

- The alt right
- Transhumanism
- Call out culture
- Technoutopia (probably just modernism to be fair)
- Applied Epistemological nihilism

For the full report paypal two hundred bucks to countrywalkthinktank@gmail.com

[pirxthepilot]

@Sam the Rondinone is so good, i saw an early cut on a single screen and liked it but in an installation like that it's amazing. i also think you'd really like the cameron jamie and kahlil joseph/kendrick lamar pieces. but honestly i think there are very few misses in the whole show.
all i tend to get is thoughts of art world 'professionals' (lol) so would be interested to hear feedback from you (or anyone else) not just about the work but also venue, installation etc.

[bels]

Applied Epistemological nihilism

@pirx
post trump and brexit do you really still think this is just me?

[bels]

pirxthepilot » Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:33 am
Comment:
nah turns out its pretty much all millennials.
gj millennials

Millennials overwhelmingly voted for hillary/remain pirx don't chat shit.

EDIT: Just saw your post in the other thread mmmmmmm valid complaint vs millennials. IF many didn't turn out due to polls suggesting hilary would win easily (which is stupid) they may well have fallen victim to the echo chamber of online "content" (primo epistemological nihilism)

Countrywalk.thinktank.gov.uk says "Consuming content online is not about becoming informed, driving change or being an activist. It is about creating the illusion of a cultural environment that you want to inhabit."

[exprof]

@pirxthepilot @smiles etc. any books/recommendations on where to start learning about non-western art? esp contemporary stuff?

[pirxthepilot]

i get that you're prob just looking for an entry point but this is such a broad question it's really hard to approach it, particularly with contemporary art as everything is so intermingled. for example i was in manila recently- i knew nothing about the arts scene there- and all the artists i met were strongly influenced by western conceptualism. the reason was that imelda marcos didn't just love to shop, she was also a huge proponent of visual arts and endowed museums, art schools etc. so just ended up having loads of conversations about duchamp or whatever.
(as a broader starting point dunno if you've read this but i often find myself coming back to the questions he raises:
http://users.clas.ufl.edu/burt/filmphil ... kofart.pdf)
also, have you seen marker/resnais' 'les statues meurent aussi' ? (its on youtube)

[pirxthepilot]

@rublev do you know if metahaven have a conventional/commercial strand to their design practice? i visited them last time i was in amsterdam, wanted to ask how they fund their publishing/pay the bills but those conversations can be awkward

[rublev]

@pirxthepilot sorry my computer broke. yeah there's not a huge amount of info about them around (seems deliberate). they seem to have a 'limited' commercial side with with more traditional campaigns, music videos, publishing and magazines (at least individually), gallery work etc, i'm sure they've also done government / policy projects and been involved in other funded research and academia. also found a really interesting interview here where they talk about branding and soft power

actually i just found some quotes

Today, the studio is kept afloat by teaching, workshops and lectures; grants for exhibition and publication projects from embassies, consulates and institutions such as the European Cultural Foundation and the Mondriaan Foundation; and income from writing and design commissions.

Metahaven were invited to Tallinn by the Estonian Design Center to join policy-makers, marketeers, advertising people and designers, to ponder the former Soviet republic’s national brand.

One of our upcoming projects is a collaboration with the Iceland-based think tank IMMI, thinking up a set of images and messages for the excellent and forward-thinking legal, energy, and social environment which Iceland has created for internet and cloud hosting.

A project for the Netherlands Architecture Institute, consisting of publicity materials for an installation and a series of events to create a stronger relationship between the NAI and the city of Rotterdam.

They have teaching commitments at the Arnhem Academy of Art and Design (Kruk), and at Yale and the Sandberg Institute in Amsterdam (Van der Velden)

genuinely fascinating, really exciting...love it

(they've also worked with holly herndon a few times who is great)

Spoiler:

REALLY GOOD

[pirxthepilot]

thanks! i think the way 'conceptual' artists (i mean ones with no commodity to sell) navigate the spaces of capitalism is really interesting. obviously a design-based practice could enclose commercial aspects.
also as your quotes imply, the netherlands govt are very good at supporting artists. i always like visiting amsterdam cos its like a happy little theme park, given the above and the fact they're not crushed by rents etc.

[rjbman]

http://10x16.com/

[pirxthepilot]

last chance to see the infinite mix show, closes after the weekend. bet most of u teens didnt even go. i should've told you it was an our legacy sample sale

http://www.theinfinitemix.com/

[rublev]

prob won't see the turner prize before it closes but i like helen marten

Spoiler:

[sunblam]

Hello friends! I have returned to my favorite thread, with some lovely Ren Hang nudie pics!

NSFW and thus below the cut

Spoiler:

I feel that the last is the weakest, but also probably a better representation of Ren's usual work.

[pirxthepilot]

@bels @iliam @Sametc etc

kind of annoying that amalia is a massively hyped artist based on scripts that read like way more boring version of subtle pirx brags (although i keep telling people that the boredom aspect is important). would be interested in any teen critiques of film/semiotics/ etc. after all this is basically the care tags uber-narrative

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Vox ... app8U/edit

[rublev]

We cannot celebrate revolutionary Russian art – it is brutal propaganda / jj in the guardian

odd

[smiles]

@bels @iliam @Sametc etc

kind of annoying that amalia is a massively hyped artist based on scripts that read like way more boring version of subtle pirx brags (although i keep telling people that the boredom aspect is important). would be interested in any teen critiques of film/semiotics/ etc. after all this is basically the care tags uber-narrative

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Vox ... app8U/edit

This is niche middlebrow art that uses niche middlebrow references to notionally critique consumer culture (boring) for an audience that probably already "knows" that consumer culture/fetishizing brands is bad. Even if that's the point (soho house/aesop/art forum, skip the sublimation and go straight to where to those desires originate) I don't think it really criticizes that narrative from any coherent standpoint. Would have been better to go after good taste/lifestyle filter, instead of trying to parody a phenomenon which can accommodate endless parody (via art as good taste).

People won't go home and re-think their lifestyle, they'll looking longingly at their own aesop moisturizer.

(IANAT)

[pirxthepilot]

um, i'm no great fan of her work but you seem to be trying to re-cast it in the mould of low-grade didacticism, and for all its faults it deserves better than that.. (incidentally this viewpoint, because it is itself so banal in this context, will always turn everything into a species of middlebrow, see walrus-moustached c19th critics considering madame bovary as some kind of flawed sociological treatise to give a random example).
as for 'where those desires originate', what does this even mean? you don't need to read lacan to grasp that desire is always elusive, just watch a decent movie.
tl;dr art, even mediocre art, isn't some earnest teen social critique, the longing is way more interesting, and she's real artist enough to understand that at least?

[bels]

If it's not attacking that lifestyle then what is it doing? I don't think you can shrug that off so easily. Maybe it's trying to do something extra on top but that doesn't remove the teen level social critique.

[pirxthepilot]

of course everything exists within a culture but to take it as a one-note critique is the most middlebrow reading possible. (same for affirmation of that culture obviously, hence the idiocy of the article rublev linked: as if soviet propaganda didn't contribute a huge amount to the history of art/design, i discussed exactly this with metahaven when we met).
the form itself always contains more possibilities.. its up to you to open them up.. kinda disappointed as you were the first person that came to mind when she mentionied come shot on muji notebook

[bels]

I can understand there's "more to it" than social critique and am personally not saying it's "bad" because of the weak social critique. ( I didn't actually think of it at all until miles pointed it out ). But why does that mean the social critique doesn't count? It's 'missing the point' ?

[vgtbls]

I wonder if she made her flight

[bels]

On the bus to the most recent regional art opening I went to I sat next to someone who said that vapourwave is for people with fine art degrees and sea punk is for graphic designers. Then he took a swig from his water bottle which was a 2 litre bottle of Pepsi Max with a crumpled sticker.

[saptapadi]

seapunk is for preteens in 2012

[pirxthepilot]

letting u teens in on a hi-lvl curatorial discussion: is this specifically intended to be impenetrable/really fucking annoying?

http://www.condocomplex.org/

[pirxthepilot]

meh

[BobbyZamora]

the very idea of highbrow/lowbrow/middlebrow being a relevant or important concept misses the point of contemporary art entirely.

whenever I see people talk about art like that I just can't help but feel like they didn't pay attention to any of the most famous pieces of contemporary art from the past 100 years, their original goal was to make this point in the first place and yet here we are in 2017 where people have subdivided art in to different levels of class and taste

like, did the urinal not get the message across to you?

[pirxthepilot]

on that note: bottle rack at ropac paris. of course this would've been one of the most humble/utilitarian objects imaginable.