Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

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Postby WussWayne » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:52 am

I sometimes see obviously women's clothing that I like for cheap on yjp(womenswear proxying of non-mainstream stuff seems like it barely has competition) but I find it hard to pull the trigger. I want to successfully cross-dress but that means learning how to do makeup properly and finding a way to style my hair or get a wig to let me pull it off. I think I'm slim enough to pull it off.

I could also just wear it as is without changing my appearance but then I start thinking about the cost-mileage of the clothing. I could buy it and wear it everyday without changing how I normally look. But the social fall-out would probably be worse than from my current clothes. Now I don't particularly care about what people think of my clothes when I'm off the clock but I think the psychological impact of people you know suddenly treating you extremely differently coupled with strangers feeling the need to shout slurs at you would be higher than with my current stuff which is still recognizable "male clothing". And I think getting that kind of negativity everyday would eventually wear me down and I'd shelve the clothing to once every blue moon, giving me bad value for my money.

And I dunno, I suppose maybe scouring for stuff hoping a Japanese woman is selling something that can fit a dude 6" M guy may not be worth the hassle. Maybe I should just try to get into more obscure male clothing that might probably have less competition as well

I dunno maybe I'm just a pussy overthinking things
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Re: random fashion jersey tucks

Postby b4my » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:09 am

re hypebeasts: i've been really into this season of palace and it's funny to see all the absolutely sick stuff sit for weeks and the logo stuff sell out in seconds.

also i'm interested in how hype is generated but that doesn't translate to a desire to be around hypebeasts...like i'm interested in why people join ISIS too ya know? doesn't mean i want to be around them lol.
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby deadkitty » Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:52 pm

fun_yunchables wrote:on a non-related note: it seems like the majority of people/brands in the art book fair circuit are trying to be cav empt & brain dead right now



are u specifically talking about printed matter or...?
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby Julio » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:48 am

schrödinger's hypebeast

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A hypebeast, a pair of Balenciaga triple s, and an Instagram account with clout are placed in a sealed box made of Supreme™ bricks. If an internal monitor (e.g. an iPhone X) detects clout (i.e. a new series of paid followers), the account is suspended, reducing the clout, which renders the hypebeast rhetorical. The Copenhagen interpretation of quantum hype-mechanics implies that after a while, the hypebeast is simultaneously real and rhetorical. Yet, when one looks in the box made of Supreme™ bricks, one sees the hypebeast either as real or rhetorical; not both real and rhetorical. This poses the question of when exactly quantum hype-superposition ends and reality collapses into one possibility or the other.
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby popcorn » Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:21 pm

don't mind me i'm just receiving a metaphysics crash course from the ramdom fashion jorts thread
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby INNIT » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:54 am

strong opinion: though i appreciate your feedback and attempts to assert an equilibrium between the roll and the pool, i am anti-pant roll in 99% of circumstances (the remaining 1% being situations relating to the "flood": walking through swamps, an actual flood, etc.). pant rolling is the result of millennials who grew up in skinny jeans "fearing the pool" of wider pants, which are now officially cooler than slim pants. i respect the pool, even though i am one of these aforementioned millennials, and used to roll my pants.

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REDACTION: changed "stack" to "pool"
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Re: random fashion jersey tucks

Postby khayandhi » Wed Apr 18, 2018 9:30 am

kremvax wrote:but i dunno, with that, i also wish i couldve written a little more about how a lot of girl/femme-centered fashion sites/spaces always felt like they focused so much on the body/being “flattering” etc which always made me really … weird/much more nervous about dressing than i ever wanted to be. just how Different the conversation is / what all these communities looked like to me as a teenage girl (i still am one i mean but yeah - why male/male-dominated fashion forums, i guess?)


late 2 the party bc I'm hardly here any more* but this was a great bunch of takes and also we talked about some of the female fashion related shit (a little? not as well?) in this old thread here (my personal magnum opus), in case @kremvax or anyone else hasn't seen it

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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby charybdis » Wed Apr 18, 2018 1:44 pm

^^^ that is the best thread on care tags

also wrt that tweet kremvax linked... it makes me think about how femme/women's fashion will always be linked with the idea of beauty and hotness and that's part of where the anxieties about "flattering" in those communities is coming from. like the hypo girl in the tweet is ~not like the other girls~ but he makes sure we know in 180 characters that she has a fat ass. guess we like to say we're liberated but we're really not, myself included lol. do y'all remember that insta account that was just this girl wearing extremely layers of junya + a ski mask. not saying this should be the new feminist wave of doing things (esp since I'm really into the return of deep v shit) but I sometimes wonder about why I can't bring myself to do that you know?

idk currently my only fashion intake is following every single one of this group of fuerdai chinese girls on instagram since they seem to actually have fun. but also like they def share the same plastic surgeon
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby popcorn » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:02 pm

INNIT wrote:pant rolling is the result of millennials who grew up in skinny jeans "fearing the pool" of wider pants, which are now officially cooler than slim pants. i respect the pool, even though i am one of these aforementioned millennials, and used to roll my pants.

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I think cuffing, as a mass movement, comes from the "cursory education" mode of internet fashion (e.g. reddit mfa) as opposed to as a membership signal for deeper fashion knowledge. Like, the cuff is a manifest interest in self-improvement and anti-conformity, not an aesthetic ideal. You could consider the cuff as fashion training wheels or you could consider it like listening to Guided By Voices and Joy Division as a surrogate for a deep, involving interest in music theory: a cursory understanding of fashion in operation (silhouette, context, the outfit) is really halfway to comprehension. Realizing you can cuff pants is your first chance at liberation: you can buy un-hemmed pants from basically anywhere and come away with an acceptable silhouette. You can fly now. You are away from the aesthetic poverty of suburbia.

So sure, make pooled pants your aesthetic ideal, but realize that not everyone has an obvious entry point into wide-leg pants. If I uncuffed my Dickies they'd look like a fucking monstrosity. I've still never owned a pair of pants over $60. I'd love to have some proper, cropped Junya Watanbe trou for daily wear, but I don't.

Being anti-cuff, in context, is hurtful. When you ask people to make sure their interface is immaculate you're rejecting everyone still talking on the lawn outside of the ivory tower.

((this looks a bit less humorous than I intended it to be but still stands))
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby INNIT » Wed Apr 18, 2018 2:37 pm

popcorn wrote:Being anti-cuff, in context, is hurtful. When you ask people to make sure their interface is immaculate you're rejecting everyone still talking on the lawn outside of the ivory tower.


ADDENDUM TO THE POLEMIC AGAINST "THE ROLL" (i'm doing this instead of writing my thesis):

I DO NOT demand perfect pant/shoe interfaces.

DICKIES look fine uncuffed, thinking otherwise is all in our heads, we have been disciplined to think this way.

CROPPED trousers are fine.

THIS IS NOT NARROW MINDED, because i said so.

THS IS NOT A STANCE OF ELITISM, it is a stance of love.
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby popcorn » Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:19 pm

You're right that it's a positive notion to suggest that all pooled pants are beautiful. But doesn't this positivity towards wide-leg, pooled pants and wide, leather, structurally solid ("dad") footwear naturally signal the death of the slim-cuff and shoe sneaker? The supreme skater of 2015 is now being offered work pants and Wotherspoon 97/1's, while NMDs reach their saturation point. Yeezy 350v2's have dropped from $700, $800 USD to near the $300 line.

Is fashion so sum-zero that bringing jeans and sheux into the overtone window does not expand the window but simply moves it over from where it is? Will kids soon be bullied when their mother buys them a pair of Nike Free 3.0s?
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby fun_yunchables » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:20 pm

pretty sure dickies died in 2016/2017 and carhartt carpenters have taken the crown for the it-pant of 2018 and as an added bonus they look good pooled, cuffed, and cropped
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby bleeker » Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:10 pm

Kanye's tweet about individualism wryly seems to fit into the earlier discussion of hype and such.
Did he do it consciously à la Patagonyer's "don't buy this jacket" or is he just celebrating himself in some indirect way?

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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby stoogesjacket » Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:41 am

I recently noticed that both Ssense and Totokaelo (among possible others) are now (or have been doing) what they call "editorial content" that usually talks about the clothes they're selling (sometimes a fashion editorial, sometimes a editorial/interview with a musician, sometimes with a pseudo-intellectual bent) but sometimes also talks about things that are not really related to fashion at all like architecture or actual contemporary art. It reminded me of this article on Vestoj (http://vestoj.com/helmut-lang-the-tale- ... -identity/) which if this link is broken talked about the original Helmut Lang store in downtown New York that was designed after an art gallery, complete with works by Jenny Holzer and Louise Bourgeois made just for the space, and how by folding in contemporary art to his store Lang was not only trying to elevate his clothing to the status of contemporary artworks but also trying to circumvent the embarrassment or guilt of luxury consumption by recontextualizing his store as an art gallery instead of, you know, a luxury clothing store.

Which is to say that Ssense and Totokaelo are attempting to do the same thing except on a digital platform instead of a physical location. I'm not sure how successful it is.
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby bels » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:00 am

Personally firmly against any attempt to inject an 'art' narrative into a retail space.
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby julius » Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:56 am

stoogesjacket wrote: [...] It reminded me of this article on Vestoj (http://vestoj.com/helmut-lang-the-tale- ... -identity/) which if this link is broken [...]

The link was broken but that article sounded so interesting I looked to see if there were any archives of it and found this one https://web.archive.org/web/20170501184125/http://vestoj.com/helmut-lang-the-tale-of-a-new-identity/
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby CheerUpBrokeBoy » Thu May 03, 2018 7:52 pm

i'm not saying i 100% believe that 70% of any outfit is its pant-shoe interaction, but i could definitely make a compelling case for it
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby CheerUpBrokeBoy » Tue May 08, 2018 12:08 am

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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby Julio » Thu May 10, 2018 1:32 am

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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby evilfriends » Wed May 16, 2018 7:20 am

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I'm going to be on the cover of the upcoming DUST Magazine in case anyone wants to check it out, as far as I know there's going to be a lot of cool pictures in it
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Re: Random Rhetorical Hypebeast Fashion Thoughts

Postby fun_yunchables » Sat May 19, 2018 3:19 am

2017: "lmao thrasher what a poser do u even skate"
2018: "lmao carhartt what a poser do u even build"
2019: ?? ("lmao vineyard vines what a poser can u even threaten to sue/is ur daddy even a lawyer")
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